Origins - The 5th Robot

[Naitrax]

I had this thread written out so perfectly about 2 months ago, but I left CoDz for a while. Now, it is time for the theories to return!

Sorry about lack of picture evidence. All my photos were destroyed/lost

There are 5 Robots on Origins. Most people only know of 4. However, the Robot which passes at the beginning is a separate being to the others. How? It's footpath is different to any others.

What are the chances of it being Thor? It never returns to that part, and it's not the downed one...

Here is a Skype convo with InfestLithium regarding this whole situation:

[12/09/2013 7:55:44 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Origins has 5 Mechanical Giants (Robots)

[12/09/2013 7:56:07 pm] Danny [Lithium]: 5? I know of four.

[12/09/2013 7:56:34 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: But there is five

[12/09/2013 7:56:45 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Three roaming, one fallen.

[12/09/2013 7:57:09 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Unless there is another downed one.

[12/09/2013 7:57:40 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Now bear with me, as I will be copying this from a conversation with someone here on Skype and I will delete the unessecary lines

[12/09/2013 7:58:08 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: [9/09/13 8:10:19 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: The Robot that passes over spawn at the very beginning? A completely different robot from all the tohers

[9/09/13 8:10:42 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: It's foot path is diferent to Thor

[9/09/13 8:11:02 PM] Kieran Lacey: Alright I'll take your word for that

[9/09/13 8:11:11 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: I'm just grabbing a pic now

[9/09/13 8:15:32 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: http://gyazo.com/d68834082c9d5eacafea2ef65f8ffdbb

Here is Thor's Prints. To the left of each Tesla Coil. You can see for yourself that they go in a straight path

[9/09/13 8:16:14 PM] Kieran Lacey: ok

[9/09/13 8:17:25 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: http://gyazo.com/1933fd04ec754d0cea4c847cb926fe78

Here is the path of the Robot from the Spawn

[9/09/13 8:17:45 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: It's right foot falls on the Tank Station, instead of Thor's left

[9/09/13 8:18:34 PM] Kieran Lacey: Yeah

[9/09/13 8:19:29 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: You can see it is not the Downed Robot because of the fact that it is already there, but also for the fact that the Downed couldnt have possibly fallen from there. Look at the way it fell:

http://gyazo.com/eeb31bb0674832ae7a34ce20f4ef6bbd

[9/09/13 8:19:47 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: Notice the Trench of the Tank Path at the bottom

[9/09/13 8:20:26 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: It would have had to have deviated from it's path extremely to have fallen there

[9/09/13 8:23:54 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: It might have been Thor, just happening to deviate from his path slightly, but if so, why doesn't he ever go back there again? And why don't the other Robots do the same? It is because they are running on 115, and that power is being drawn from Agartha and/or the Crazy Place (which is the Gateway to Agartha). They have been running on this loop for centuries, if what Samantha says to Richtofen is true.

[9/09/13 8:24:12 PM] The Man With Golden Eyes: Also, the Robot's feet are solid.

[12/09/2013 7:58:14 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Whoops

[12/09/2013 7:58:22 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Forgot to delete shit

[12/09/2013 7:58:38 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: i will go in to more detail if it is required

[12/09/2013 8:00:52 pm] Danny [Lithium]: I honestly think it's just a mistake made. Taken into account the many things we also see in the trailer.

[12/09/2013 8:01:03 pm] Danny [Lithium]: But I do believe you about the fallen robot portion.

[12/09/2013 8:01:14 pm] Danny [Lithium]: They continuously run this loop until they cannot go any longer.

[12/09/2013 8:01:24 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: OR, they are destroyed

[12/09/2013 8:01:43 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Yes; but for the meanwhile, it looks incredibly difficult to wipe them out.

[12/09/2013 8:02:12 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: The Downed Robot has both it's feet hatches open, so it can be assumed it was destroyed from the inside.

How? By removing the 115.

[12/09/2013 8:02:22 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Also, 115 is already used to power them. They have been on autopilot since the controlling agents died off.

[12/09/2013 8:02:47 pm] Danny [Lithium]: They were programmed to control and loop according to Richtofen.

[12/09/2013 8:04:47 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Inside the each Robot's head, there are tubes full of 115.

The 115 was removed from Agartha (the Crazy Place being the Lobby, not fully in, but definately not out) and used to power the Machines in this map. Every machine was excavated from Agartha

[12/09/2013 8:04:53 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Kind of

[12/09/2013 8:04:58 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: You know what I mean

[12/09/2013 8:05:23 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Well, you mean everry machine taps into the Crazy Place.

[12/09/2013 8:05:44 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Since that seems to be where most of the 115 is held. Or at least underground below the surface for that matter.

[12/09/2013 8:06:26 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Also, the robot that lands on the tank station in the trailer IS Thor by the way.

[12/09/2013 8:06:45 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Just a minor discrepency you pointed out because Treyarch isn't too consisted in their trailers.

[12/09/2013 8:07:16 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Because when you begin the match, note that the robot's foot lifts off the spawn location.

[12/09/2013 8:07:22 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Wrong footing, yes.

[12/09/2013 8:07:25 pm] Danny [Lithium]: But same robot.

[12/09/2013 8:07:48 pm] Danny [Lithium]: And we know that what happened at the end of the trailer immediately continues once we spawn.

[12/09/2013 8:08:25 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Why doesn't Nikolai have his Olympia? Why doesn't Tank have a Remington New Model Army? It's the same reason why the footing is different for the robots, I'm afraid.

[12/09/2013 8:14:16 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: In the Soundtrack, there is a track called Machines of Agartha. When this is played, the ticking noise that everyone wants to know more about plays, and then the sound of the Agarthan Guardians attacking the generators. The Guardians do not approve of their technology being used to power machinery. I believe that throughout the millions of years Origins has been on loop, the Guardians have developed higher senses, as they do not exist in this realm. They are not part of the loop. Originally, they would have tried to attack the Robots, as they are what ran off this technology originally. Then, after they realised it was fruitless, they began to attack the other machines. However, one group of Guardians continued to attack the Robots. They managed to fell two of them; the one that passes spawn (shortly after it leaves the map on it's final run) and the Downed.

[12/09/2013 8:15:13 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Hm, that's a good view to look from.

[12/09/2013 8:15:23 pm] Danny [Lithium]: But you need to validfy your proof of a 5th robot still.

[12/09/2013 8:15:45 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Using a choppy scene in the opening cutscene doesn't relaly prove anything when it is contradicted.

[12/09/2013 8:16:12 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: It's nto from the Opening scene. It actually hapens ingame

[12/09/2013 8:16:24 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Also, the machines were not built from Agartha. Maxis has a radio log saying that Group 935 built the conversion generators.

[12/09/2013 8:16:46 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: They used Agarthan Technology

[12/09/2013 8:17:07 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Like seriously. Conversion generators in 1917? I think not

[12/09/2013 8:17:19 pm] Danny [Lithium]: I can say the same for giant robots.

[12/09/2013 8:17:40 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Conversion generators only extract element 115 and alter their form of matter.

[12/09/2013 8:18:54 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Still, you need that proof for the 5th robot haha. You're creating a scenario that has no backtrack or evidence supporting it. I understand that a robot outside the map (not near tank station) could be taken down but there needs to be something that proves it was taken down and it was taken down by Agarthan zombies or something to that extent.

[12/09/2013 8:20:19 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: "The Giant Robots were the greatest feat ever accomplished, made possible only by use of Element 115"

- Richtofen

Now I see where you are coming from, don't get me wrong. I assume Group 935 got help using the powers of Element 115 to tear the fabric of space and time (creating a Rift ) and pull the pices for the Generators and Robots to them

[12/09/2013 8:25:26 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Proof? Most of this is theory. But, my little evidence to support the Agarthan Guardians' involvement is that they head for things powered by 115. They don't attack the player (unless SUMMONED as an effect of powering a Generator) so therefore they head for the 115. Why they do not go for the Zombies, I do not understand as of yet. But they are nto after the player. They are after the 115. Their 115. I assume they would have entered a robot and attacked it from the inside to power it down. The reason this is not instantaneous is the fact that the Robot would require MASSIVE amounts of 115 to power beasts of that size on an eternal loop. Why do they not stay inside the Robot? Because of the Auto-Purge. That's why it was installed.

[12/09/2013 8:26:12 pm] Danny [Lithium]: They attack players in the Crazy Place.

[12/09/2013 8:26:26 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Make this into a thread so I can better reply to it - right now we're scrambling around haha.

[12/09/2013 8:26:39 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: The players are invading their territory.

[12/09/2013 8:26:44 pm] Danny [Lithium]: G'night friendo - I definitely need some shut eye. I better wake up to a good thread tomorrow.

[12/09/2013 8:26:59 pm] Danny [Lithium]: Side note: That juxtaposes your theory about them going after 115.

[12/09/2013 8:27:16 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Maybe… I might have to go to bed soon.

[12/09/2013 8:28:22 pm] The Man With G̶o̶l̶d̶e̶n̶ Black Eyes: Not really. They leave their own dimension to attack their technology being used to power machines of the Mortals. If your home was being attacked (or so they think) wouldn't you try to defend it?

Completely copy/pasted so excuse some random bits.

DISCUSS.

~Nai

[Rissole25]

Could you take out the Skype times maybe or just bold what is said? I'm finding it hard to read haha.

I've gotten out of the map barriers in Theatre before, and noticed that robots right foot travels in the trench robots (dont know which one it is) left foot pathing. I personally think it's the same robot, but they moved its model slightly to left of its path because that's where the spawn room is (and it fits with the intro).

Of course it still could be a different robot. It doesn't make sense that they keep coming from the same direction (they despawn and respawn at the other side). Just seems more realistic if they swapped sides and came from Jug side.

What I mean:

---> Loki

All 3 than appear. Odin & Freja --->, Loki

Would also make it more fun to have to look two ways instead of just one way for robots.

Went off-topic, but yeah, I just believe it is the trench robot.

[MegaAfroMan]

It could be Thor, it could be any of them or none of them. The only way to distinguish between the robots truly, is by the contents of their heads, and since there is no way to get inside the head of the robot while it is on that pathway, it could be Freya for all we know.

We can only confirm it isn't the downed robot, as that can still be seen in the distance in theater.

[PINNAZ]

Cool, I didn't realize that the robot passes through different foot holes.

Though I'm 99% certain that is an unnamed robot.

There would be no way to actually enter that robots head to find out. The robot heads are located under the map aren't they?

(And I agree with Rissole, it's so very hard to read with the time stamps)

[MysteryMachineX]

It isn't a separate robot. It is just an inconsistency with the foot pattern. If it was a robot, it'd come back. If it was a robot, it'd have bumped into the robots on the intersecting paths. It was just there for the cutscene to introduce the idea of the robot, and then you have the gameplay which has the robots walking around. The fact the paths don't exactly line up is just an inconsistency, like Nikolai having the Olympia.

[Rissole25]

The heads are located Jug side of the map, but very far out and inline with the church. The three of them are bunched together, so if two people went in two different robots at the same time, it's possible they may be able to hear each other due to actually being right next to one another.

[Electric Jesus]

You should also note that it is the only robot that seems to consciously attempt to step on the players. The others just stroll through, but this one actually looked down at the players before deliberately stepping on them. I think that at the moment it first steps, the crew inside is alive, enabling finer motor skills. Maybe the crew fled the battlefield in the robot, which would suggest that it is a 5th robot. Or possibly it is just one of the other robots, and the crew eject themselves, returning the robot to autopilot.

But hang on, you can see the dead crew inside each of the 3 robots. So the crew couldn't have manually ejected. But how could they have died if the robots weren't under attack at that time? I think the former idea is most likely: they nope'd outta there when the zombies showed up, and tried to step on the players on the way out.

Of course even that is a bit complex of an explanation, but it is still suspicious that this is the only robot that seems aware of the player's presence.