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The last unsolved cipher in Classified was recently solved, and I saw no post on it, so I thought I might as well start the discussion. It was solved by Reddit users /u/Richkiller and /u/coldstone_the_gamer.

 

It reads:

 

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August 8th, 1947

I've been logging materials acquired from Group 935 for some days now (Major Sawyer has asked me to evaluate files pertaining to undead experiementation) and this afternoon I happened upon an old friend.

Hidden deep away in storage was Dr. Maxis' Original Matter Transference Prototype. Apparently, it was one of the items the Americans acquired when splitting Group 935's resources with the Russians. Unsurprisingly, it's in a terrible state of disrepair. Missing pieces, badly damaged, completely non-operational.

To be fair, Maxis himself stopped using it after the failure of those initial tests in 1939. While useless in its current state, it will provide great reference when we begin teleporter development at this facility. One thing I had never noticed before - scratched into the bottom of the machine was a message:

"For M, who started me on this Journey."

It struck me as odd… I can't recall anyone at Group 935 who went by that initial. I haven't the faintest idea who Maxis could have been referring to.

--Schuster

Now, this has some major implications as the only M besides Maxis we've known has most definitely been Monty. M has appeared in a Shadows of Evil cipher, and a cipher in Revelations which is 100% from Monty's perspective after the events of the map. I am fine with Monty being retroactively responsible for things like Perks and power-ups as those were unexplained phenomena. But this... is kind of infuriating. I mean, we don't fully know Monty's motivations yet, but why the Hell would he set Maxis on a journey to create the MTD, the device that has caused ALL of the inter-dimensional hullabaloo he complains over and over about?! Why, if Maxis was told to create Group 935 and teleporters by Monty, did Maxis abandon the MTD for years only to return to it in 1945 before his demise? Why would Monty want Richtofen to have it? We know he can retroactively change events of the past in slight ways, hence his creation of Perk-a-Colas and Powerups, and he "set Maxis on a journey". So why not go back on that since it has created such a mess for him?

 

I don't know, it just seems pointless. Maxis being a man of science is enough motivation to want to create the MTD and 935. We didn't need Monty to be behind that too.

 

I'm curious on what everyone else thinks, though. I'd love to hear another perspective.

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It is a very odd cipher indeed. It is known that Monty didn't interferred with Earth's residents except for helping humanity against the Apothicans by offering little "nudges" that would eventually indirectly help to stop the inter-dimensional hullabaloo. He also blamed Group 935 for creating the Matter Transference Devices, the start of this misery. So now it seems like Monty wanted the "hullabaloo" on purpose. If I recall correctly, he hasn't made contact with any human prior: Maxis was his first. So why does Monty want the hullabaloo?

 

Another thing you say is that Maxis is a man of science, and indeed, he is. He would never abandon such a project as the MTD. And even if he would have, he must have been very impressed when Richthofen managed it to teleport a walnut for the first time. But his reaction back then was merely something like: "just stop the testing Richthofen". Like something changed his mind and he didn't even wanted the MTD to exist, while it was him who started the experimenting.

 

Maybe the sentence "For M, who started me on this Journey."  goes for Monty warning Maxis to stop the testing with the MTD. Perhaps thats why he didn't want Richthofen to continue it

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6 hours ago, anonymous said:

It is a very odd cipher indeed. It is known that Monty didn't interferred with Earth's residents except for helping humanity against the Apothicans by offering little "nudges" that would eventually indirectly help to stop the inter-dimensional hullabaloo. He also blamed Group 935 for creating the Matter Transference Devices, the start of this misery. So now it seems like Monty wanted the "hullabaloo" on purpose. If I recall correctly, he hasn't made contact with any human prior: Maxis was his first. So why does Monty want the hullabaloo?

 

Another thing you say is that Maxis is a man of science, and indeed, he is. He would never abandon such a project as the MTD. And even if he would have, he must have been very impressed when Richthofen managed it to teleport a walnut for the first time. But his reaction back then was merely something like: "just stop the testing Richthofen". Like something changed his mind and he didn't even wanted the MTD to exist, while it was him who started the experimenting.

 

Maybe the sentence "For M, who started me on this Journey."  goes for Monty warning Maxis to stop the testing with the MTD. Perhaps thats why he didn't want Richthofen to continue it

That's an interesting idea and would explain why he was so quick to drop the whole project after so much success. But at the same time, immediately after abandoning the project he has Group 935 start creating weapons, and spends from December 20th, 1942 to September 24th, 1945 at the Kino facility attempting to perfect his undead army. Surely if Maxis were so loyal to Monty, he would not do this as there is no reason for Monty to want more zombies in the world.

 

It just seems so inconsistent to say that Maxis was set on his journey by Monty, and yet all of his actions are against what Monty would want, that is unless Monty somehow predicted the cycle and he wants it to be perpetuated forever, and I see no logical reason he would want this unless it were a source of power or something. He complains about the inter-dimensional nonsense all of the time in Revelations!

 

I like the idea that Monty hates Richtofen so much because he has thwarted his plans via Maxis all the way in the past, but it just doesn't make sense why he would want Maxis to do what he does throughout his time at Group 935.

 

Maybe as we learn more about Monty we will come to understand his motivations more and this will make sense, but as of right now it doesn't quite fit together.

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I have two theories but before that, I would like to post this quote from Maxis himself in Classified.

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They are fools... ignorant, petulant fools. They blindly follow him, sheep herded by a false shepherd, a wolf bearing human flesh. They must know not to trust him, it's instinctive. In the darkest recessives of their minds, a voice screams out. Warning them. But they don't know why, they don't know what he did. They were all prisoners of war, left to rot. Nobody cared if they lived or die, so we took them; Group 935. We just didn't know how far he takes the experiments. The amount of Element 115 he pumped through them... I'm surprised any of them survived Siberia. And now, they follow him. Taking orders, the very man who broke them, fried their brains. The MPD, the Aether... it corrupted him, as it did my Samantha. As it does anyone who touch it. The temptation of unlimited power, it will destroy everything. If Richtofen gains control, there will be no turning back. I will be forced to take drastic measures. But they can stop him now, put an end to this madness. They just need to make sure he doesn't make it back here. If only they remember... but they won't, will they? They will help him until the bitter end, beyond the point of no return. Because that is the nature of sheep.

Maxis is referring to Ultimis, and this Maxis is clearly the one trapped in the Moon (Griffin Station) after being killed and his soul being transported to the electronic devices on the station.

1- My first theory is that it's a simple side effect due to his exposure to 115, Maxis in the House did talk about how he obtained new memories that appeared out of nowhere.

As explained by this cipher

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Richtofen must understand that using these teleporters to jump between dimensions is both dangerous and imprecise. At any point, the fabric of space-time could collapse if the proper amounts of 115 are not maintained. l am also concerned about the unknown effects of trans-dimensional jumps. l have noticed even with my brief travels that new memories and emotions have flooded my mind, suddenly appearing from nowhere. l am also sure something is happening on a molecular level as well.

2- We all know Monty isn't the good guy that he claims to be, it was obvious from the start.

However, we know what Monty wants.

A perfect world free from 115 and all the time-travel bs. In order to achieve that world, he needs the souls of Ultimis.

It's possible that Monty wanted to obtain them without Primis help, because for him Primis is like his last resort.

I think he knew that by enlisting Primis, there's the possibility that they might betray him.

Original Maxis could have been a toy for Monty to ensure he captures Ultimis and teleport them to the House.

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Ok so, first and foremost I’m kinda retraining myself to not trust a damn thing monty says. We really aren’t in a good position to decide what he’s lied about. He might hate teleporters, he might have gotten maxis to build the first one, who knows.

 

But let me look at this a little differently. Personally I’ve kinda suspected that there was once a time in Monty’s life where he was originally a normal human.

 

So in Revelations Monty tells us that while “the rest of mankind” was squabbling, the Keepers made progress for humanity. This suggests the keepers were originally humans. By extension, the Apothicons were also originally human. So, were he and the Shadowman originally humans, on some particular “normal” version of earth, pre-agartha?

 

I’m really interested in what’s up with Monty’s house as well. We know that the map Revelations takes place in Agartha, so that’s where the house seems to be located. However, kinda like how Mob of the Dead isn’t the “real Alcatraz” (it’s just a clone in a bubble-dimension, like the Upside-Down,) the same could be said of Monty’s house. The “real” house is located in England, and Agartha is just a perfect bubble universe inspired by that localle.

 

In one of the alternate loading screens we got in the comics, you can see Primis (with Ultimis Richtofen) walking thru the grass field up to the front door of the “real” house. I wonder, are they gonna somehow find a way to meet Monty before he became a keeper / apothicon / omnipotent, and fight him as a human? It would be the Zombies equivalent of going back in time and killing hitler.

 

See, Monty goes out of his way to imply that he’s literally a god, and that he’s sorta always been there. The first lines of the timeline are literally “in the beginning, there was only the Aether and the Keepers.” But he already told us that the keepers were originally humans. This makes it seem like the Kronorium isn’t actually supposed to be the comprehensive timeline of the whole earth, since it’s basically like “History only started being important when the Keepers came along. Thats when we started writing shit down.”

 

Ok so circling back to the actual Cipher in question, the obvious kinda BS explanation is just “Monty is using magic to insert himself into a previous spot in the story again.” But again, somehow I suspect that there was a time when Monty was just a normal guy. I almost feel like Human-Monty and Human-Maxis were originally friends, or alive at the same time, or knew each other somehow outside of Monty communicating with him magically.

 

My first thought was like, maybe Monty was originally a 935 employee, and his godlike status is the result of whatever he and Maxis got up to? Teleportation gone wrong? If he were ever an employee at the same time a Richtofen, Ed would have recognized him, so that can’t specifically be the case. But it could be something like that.

 

Also, I’m reminded of a couple things. There’s that old message in the Black Ops 3 server files that said something like “Go to the man with a red scarf in a market in Belgium, and tell him the giant has risen.” No idea. If there was a time that Monty met Maxis and influenced him to build teleporters, it could be this here. “The giant has risen” suggests that Der Riese was recently constructed, and Monty was waiting to be given the cue for something. But this message seems to be from someone, to someone else, instructing them. Could be Maxis receiving it, but who’s the speaker? also monty? shadowman? 

 

Additionally, Monty and the Shadowman might be like evil twins / the same person. (The whole can of worms thing.) We know the Shadowman impersonates people, gives intentionally bad advice, and orchestrates the events of other peoples’ lives. We see this a lot in Shadows of Evil. A similar thing could be happening here, with Monty nudging group 935 into existence. There are a TON of parallels between the behavior of Monty and the Shadowman. Namely, they both go to a group of 4, and say “hey you need to help me save the universe; sacrifice 4 souls for me plz.” it’s equally bullshit when Monty says it IMO. I’m surprised that in the Revelations end cutscene Monty didn’t just cut the shit and say “your service to the overlords is appreciated.”

 

I dunno. I feel like we’re gonna see a normal human Monty at some point. Like, the famous Monty duck quote, he goes out of his way to tell us how even though he appears to be just standing peacefully in front of you, he’s really doing all kinds of hard work in higher dimensions that we can’t see. That might be a full blown lie, and those higher dimensions might not even exist. 

 

Note to self: work on structuring posts better

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I like both of your posts! Some very great points, and I do hope we get some more fleshed out story behind Monty because as he is right now he feels like a cop-out for a lot of tough story holes. I think it would be really interesting to see what @Electric Jesus said, and maybe we can understand more why Monty and the Shadowman take the forms they do when the rest of their respective kind look so inhuman. Perhaps the two have more of a past in our own realm than we realize, and the form Monty takes and the house have some sentimental value to him. Now that your theories are out there I'm a bit more hopeful about where they are going. Let's hope they have the opportunity to tell that story by the end of Black Ops 4.

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19 hours ago, RadZakpak said:

I like both of your posts! 

Me too. And @Electric Jesus man if I were able to give a comment more than one like I would do so with yours. The idea that everything extraordinary that happens in the Zombies Saga is sciencific rather than made-up mythological excites me. Like a big Christopher Nolan movie. Monty and Shadowman not being gods just because they are but because an experiment went wrong, and everything happening afterwards being some kind of paradox actually created by accident in a terribly failed Group 935 experiment would be awesome.

 

I've heard about theories that Monty and Shadowman are originally the same prior. It could be something like in the movie "the Prestige", where using a MTD created by Tesla doesn't actually teleport you, but rather clones you to another location. The first MTD tests might have doubled a subject, creating the "good" Monty and "bad" Shadowman, actually both craving for unlimited power.  Perhaps 935 even accidentally created the Aether, like the "beings" in Interstellar created the hypercube at the end of Interstellar, but then by humans of the 3th dimension.

 

Something I suddenly gotta think of is a theory I once read about Monty being Brock and Shadowman being Gary, turning into these persons after discovering Agartha. The only "evidence" for this would be one being British and one being American, which is a kinda lame one I gotta say. 

 

I totally forgot about the red scarf cipher. It's odd to think that one has to tell Monty that the giant has risen while we are also said that he is omnipotent, so he should already know that. 

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“M” probably means Monty, but that’s obvious & hopefully not the case. 

 

I was thinking/hoping it could refer to an alternate Maxis but the SoE cipher (“M is interested in these worthless beings”) might not fit. 

On the contrary, it could refer to Ultimus Maxis trying to develope the Zombies = Worthless Beings?

 

Kinda off topic but still relevant are all The Giant radios. There are 2 versions of Maxis speaking in these. 

 

The most interesting radio I find is the furnace radio where a Maxis states that “The Children have left the house” & “The Radiation from the Fallout”

 

Waiting to see what this means in future maps as I don’t think this has been show previously?  

 

0:37 mark (not trying to plug my video, this is the reason I make them for reference)

 

 

I also really like the theories/posts above. GJ. 

 

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6 hours ago, PINNAZ said:

“M” probably means Monty, but that’s obvious & hopefully not the case. 

 

I was thinking/hoping it could refer to an alternate Maxis but the SoE cipher (“M is interested in these worthless beings”) might not fit. 

On the contrary, it could refer to Ultimus Maxis trying to develope the Zombies = Worthless Beings?

 

Kinda off topic but still relevant are all The Giant radios. There are 2 versions of Maxis speaking in these. 

 

The most interesting radio I find is the furnace radio where a Maxis states that “The Children have left the house” & “The Radiation from the Fallout”

 

Waiting to see what this means in future maps as I don’t think this has been show previously?  

 

0:37 mark (not trying to plug my video, this is the reason I make them for reference)

 

 

I also really like the theories/posts above. GJ. 

 

You know, speaking about Maxis again, I remember in Revelations theorizing that Monty and Maxis are one and the same, or that Monty is some sort of thing in Maxis’ head. The reason I felt this was that we never see or hear the two interact. Maxis in radios speaks about Monty and the children. But in the radio mirroring the Origins end cutscene where Maxis tells the children to go to the basement, Maxis says his line, and then monty says something along the lines of “You just say what i tell you to say into the microphone.” 

 

I think it would be a clever twist for Maxis to be Monty’s creation sent to Earth to do his bidding or something like that, or to subvert us expecting Shadowman and Monty to be two halves of the same worm, it is actually Maxis and Monty. This would explain the ambiguity between these M ciphers and why they still refer to him as M when we know who Monty is now.

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