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On 6/9/2024 at 5:38 PM, Ducky Shocks Of Nixes said:

Yo, @anonymous, wonder if you're still active, but I found this link, and hopefully you seen some of the Tranzit cut content stuff that was around in Jan 2024

Heya Ducky! Its interesting stuff, but I'm wondering about your take on this person's credibility. What do you think?

"Hello? *Coughing* Excuse me, just getting used to the Aether. Plays havoc on the pipes. Ah, right."

Hey there! Last night I had a chat with a friend on the ending of Interstellar, you know, a regular subject one has a conversation about every once in a while. And he gave me a perspective that reminded me very much about the topic of the Cycle having happened and not happened simultaneously. So I thought about sharing this idea here, logged into my account again, and realized how fun it is to read through some old posts on this website again

On topic: In the movie Interstellar, the daughter of Cooper is called Murphy, a reference to Murphy's Law. In popular culture, Murphy's Law refers to the idea that anything that can go wrong, goes wrong. In an early scene, Murph asks Cooper, "Why did you and mom name me after something that's bad?" to which he replies, "Murphy's Law doesn't mean that something bad will happen. It means that whatever can happen, will happen. This takes into account the infinity of the universe, and that every potential outcome of everything has happened in some universe.

In the movie, more highly evolved life forms that originated from humanity created the wormhole through which Cooper & his crew could save mankind. How could they have done so while their very act was essential for them to exist at all? These life forms were said to have been able to see things in five dimensions. Humans (in the present day) could only perceive three dimensions. If we consider what the fourth and fifth dimensions would look like if we could perceive them (think of a tesseract), we recognize that the fourth dimension is time, on a sort of timeline originating from a singularity (I.e. our birth). Time is now spatial. Now think of the fifth dimension. Turn the fourth-dimensional timeline on it's side and when you do, you will see that it is only one timeline of many, stemming from the singularity. The fifth dimension allows us to perceive every single hypothetical and possible outcome stemming from a singularity. Everything that can happen, will happen.

Cooper failed almost infinitely. But in one possibility, he succeeded, allowing the 5-dimensional life forms to exist. Could this be the deal with the Cycle as well, and why the Paradox is possible to exist? Since every possibility is able to exist, there is one where a Broken Cycle is possible, with its effects (like Icarus) spilling over into the Cycle as well.


 

I have to apologize for any unclarity: I often write quickly and messy when I get enthousiast ForestFire asked me some questions regarding this thread that I'd like to share here as well.

Q: How can The Giant happen together with Tag if The Giant is integral to the Cycle?

A: The Giant (alongside DE and ZNS) also happens in the Broken Cycle, before they travel to Alcatraz. But I think the paradox is that it already happened before, as we see Icarus and have the Possibility 1 timeline (Dempsey radios, awaken the testsubjects, fallout House and, according to this theory, Tag). The Beacon is what binds them, the lighthouse communicates through Aether so independent of time and universe. If that makes sense, I also need to wrap my mind around it but I think that's why its called a paradox: it is contradicting yet it consolidates each other (the Cycle and Broken Cycle).

Q: Why would the Origins outro cutscene occur outside the Cycle, doesn't it take place right after Gorod Krovi when the souls of Ultimis arrive?

A: I should say that this is my own guess, with not too strong arguments. But first of all, we see the cutscene right after Origins and even before the alteration of the Multiverse in the Giant intro (so P2 hasnt overwritten P1 yet). Of course this cutscene could take place any time but it would be logical if it actually takes place after Origins, right? Otherwise the timing just doesn't make sense. Secondly, Sam and Eddie are already in the House when it is mentioned that "Maxis has a plan". If this plan would be post-Monty's intervention plan (following the knock on the door), the children wouldn't be there yet, only after the plan has been executed. I think the siren rings every time the past is altered, and the basement is somehow protected against overwritings of the past and Grandfather Paradoxes (just a blind guess though). Thinking about it, in the Origins cutscene we see the same Eclipse outside as in the Giant. Is it coincidence that these events coincide? Perhaps this scene in the House is simultaneously to the moment the time is frozen at the Giant?

I'm enthousiast to say that I have found a theory to explain the big paradox that bridges the Giant and Tag der Toten, and simultaneously the Cycle and the Broken Cycle. Both outcomes of the Multiverse requires the other one to exist, but how can this paradox be explained? Big thanks to @Forest Fire with his interesting discussions and thoughts on this subject, which sparked the idea of this thread. Also, you need a bunch of Cristopher Nolan brains for this one, so good luck.

A Paradoxal Prologue

A discovery made by no one else than our @clueless himself was a paradox that emerges in the Giant, a paradox that is proof that the Cycle has been broken before. To understand this we have to look at Mob of the Dead, the map that is essential to breaking Monty's Cycle. As you may know had Primis to travel through Alcatraz between Zetsubou no Shima and Gorod Krovi, however at some point in the Cycle a trap was set up. Essentially, the souls of the mobsters were used to create a pocket dimension (Mob of the dead), eternally trapping Primis, disabling them to proceed in Monty's Cycle (Blood of the Dead). During the climax of Mob of the Dead, the souls of the prisoners are transported to the Golden Gate Bridge. But this time, the plane doesn't crash because Weasel meant to bring them here. So what happens to the plane? Well, if the Cycle Continues, the purgatory Hell dimension does a "soft reset" that returns everything back to its former spot, and the only ones with memories are the Warden and Weasel. Icarus never makes it far enough to reach the storms

Eventually though, the Weasel does win, stopping the Alcatraz Cycle and causing Monty's Cycle to break as well via Blood of the Dead's ending, Alpha Omega and Tag der Toten. So Icarus, flying through the sky, eventually flies through the storms overhead. In Zetsubou no Shima we get a glimpse of what such storms can do; temporal displacement. Point of the story: Only in a Broken Cycle can Icarus leave Alcatraz. And, ladies and gentlemen, what do we encounter on the roof of the Der Riese Waffenfabrik during the Giant? Icarus, the indication and proof that the Cycle has been broken before. This is the Giant's Paradoxal Prologue to our story…

Dempsey: "Hey other me, if you're hearing this, then it means something's gone FUBAR. We're going to Plan B. Stick to that kraut bastard like glue. We need to find out what the hell he has been doing, what he's going to do. We may be able to get a fix on your location if you can trigger one of the paradox visualizations. Good luck, we're all counting on you. Oh, wait, what ever you do, don't get too close to the radioactive beacon. Makes your hair fall out."

The Nexus Point

I've devoted an entire thread to this which I can recommend to read, but I will summarize it here. The main point is that the events in the intro cutscene of The Giant is a so-called 'nexus point', an event where various timelines converge. And there are two possible outcomes, hear me out.

Primis Nikolai, Dempsey and Takeo arrive at der Riese and persuade Ultimis Richtofen to join them and awaken the test subjects. What's more, they tell him to not open the MTD because that would unleash a great evil. Here's the split: either Richtofen activated the teleporter, or he doesn't. In case he doesn't, they will awake the test subjects and some radioactive event will occur, leading to the 'Fallout House' radios: Maxis is talking about a battle won, a nuclear wasteland, the children disappearing and himself suffering from a radioactive disease.

Possibility 2 is that Ultimis Richtofen does activate the MTD: Primis Richtofen steps out and Monty's Cycle will happen. He is send by House Maxis, who is following Monty's plan to fix the world ever since the "knock on the door". Ever since, the past is changed and Maxis perceives that the children return and his radioactive disease is reversed. As the original outcome of the universe was changed, his old experiences first became vague memories, and then vanished completely. But this is not restricted to Maxis: Also Primis Nikolai, Dempsey and Takeo who initially firmly wanted to keep Ultimis Richtofen alive and awaken the test subjects, now fall into confusion and follow Primis Richtofen who obeys Maxis' mantra: "the test subjects must never be awoken". Completely reversed to their initial plan.

Maxis: "Reality itself is shifting. I find myself reflecting on memories I am not longer sure are my own. Beyond the window, I saw a wasteland stretching far as the eye could see. I saw scourge visited upon the Earth. I saw the children withered before my eyes. That was before... before he came. Samantha has been returned to me once more, as have you Edward... as have you."

Of course, Possibility 2 is what we directly see in Black Ops 3. But Possibility 1, the outcome that got overwritten by Possibility 2, is what happened prior. It is the outcome that eventually led to a "battle won" but with a very pyrrhic victory: A world destroyed by radioactivity.

The Beacon

Remember the Dempsey radio I quoted earlier? These personal messages to Primis Nikolai, Dempsey and Takeo are recorded before Possibility 2 overwrote Possibility 1, so outside Monty's Cycle. Dempsey states that they may be able to get a fix on other Dempsey's location if he and his pals can trigger a paradox visualization, coming back on that later. If you thought things were complicated, brace yourself for the next part.

Now in Tag der Toten, you can hear Richtofen saying the following: "I remember something Samantha told me a long time ago. She told me her "dad had a plan"." This plan of Maxis, obviously referred to by Sam's quote in the Origins outro cutscene which took place in the House before Possibility 2 overwrote Possibility 1 (as the Cycle didn't happen yet), may include whatever led to "winning the battle and destroying the world". This old plan of Maxis was before Monty instructed Maxis the events of Black Ops III.

Anyway, immediately after Richtofen saying this in Tag, Nikolai exclaims "Look, the Lighthouse is lit!". This sounds very much like Maxis saying: "Look, the Beacon is lit" after completing the Giant's 'Paradoxal Prologue' easter egg. In Blood of the Dead it is made clear that a lighthouse is a way to communicate across the Aether. So are our actions in the Giant essential for what happens in Tag der Toten, and vice versa? Is this why Dempsey mentions that he needs to get a fix on the location of his other self via a beacon that is radioactive? Talking about radioactivity, is the beacon the reason of the radioactive world that was a consequence of Maxis' plan?

The description of Tag's Easter Egg is to "Resolve the Paradox". It could function, in a certain way, as a means to complete the paradox, the very paradox we were introduced at in the Giant. Tag der Toten is the final piece of puzzle for the odd radioactive timeline that was caused by Possibility 1 even before the Black Ops III Cycle started. Perhaps the fire and lava appearing in Tag during this quest as a consequence of '115 evolving' may be caused by the nuclear fallout of Maxis' plan.

So before the Giant happened, Tag der Toten was already going on. Or no, what is better to say, Tag der Toten already happened: Time is irrelevant in the Multiverse. The crashed Icarus at the Giant is proof that plane has left the Alcatraz Cycle and that the Monty Cycle was broken before. But if you think we are finished, there is something else left.

The End

There is one thing you may be wondering: If Tag already happened, how could there still be a Multiverse with Element 115 at all? Consider this: We activated the Beacon while playing the Giant, which already takes place in Possibility 2. So to break the Cycle, the Cycle must already have occured. And I think the location that Dempsey wants us to trigger is that of the Frozen Forest. Remember this sequence:

"I am the last of us, but I will be joining you soon my friends. -cough, cough- death is near. I hope what we have done doesn't come back to bite this universe in the ass. Thank god we will all be gone, because if Monty ever found this place, we would be in a world of shit. Maybe now, with us all gone, the children will truly be safe. -D "

This sounds very much like the ending of Tag der Toten. Nikolai, Dempsey, Takeo and Richtofen die in the Frozen Forest so the children will be safe in a new world, without Element 115 and Aether. This may be what happened at the end of Possibility 1: Maxis mentions that the world is destroyed (the 'old' Aether Multiverse is presumably absorbed in the radioactive Dark Aether) and the children are gone (they left to the new world, Maxis explicitly says they are gone and not neccesarily dead). The Element 115 that is 'evolving' at the end of Tag is already the process of it vanishing from existence, and the world is annihilated in a radioactive fire. 

Now the sentence "awaken the test subjects" even makes sense: It regards Victis in their cryogenic slumber cells in Alcatraz. Because Primis travelled to the Frozen Forest, Victis is woken up and Tag can actually happen!

So could the outcome of Possibility 1 not only be Tag der Toten, but also the dissolution of the Aether Multiverse in general? And then, Monty knocked on the door of the destroyed House, eventually triggering Black Ops III to happen which backwards affected everything so the Aether Multiverse was contineously re-established anyway again?

If you came this far, cheers on that. Hope to see you in the comments!

These kind of chapters that do not represent something seen in-game are always interesting and surprising to read. I like it how dr. Okitsu remains a returning character, now instead of being some kind of wicked scientist we really know how evil this person is. Get some kind of Japanese Mengele feeling of this guy.

Love the reference to temple complex being buit in the era of the Great War. I must say I am not fully sure why Ultimis went here. Perhaps it is because we aren't supposed to know yet (as far as I know, last chapter they were in Shi no Numa), or did I forgot things?

Amazing work Rad, you got the real Ultimis vibes described here, the characters come to life. Really laughed at some points as well.

Two small points I have

"The frame of the device illuminated, and as if it were unable to contain the row energy within"

I think this must be 'raw' instead of 'row', but I could be wrong. Another thing is in the Fightclub-like scene that Nikolai and Dempsey start kicking each other for fun, it initially isn't made clear that the other guy is Dempsey. Maybe this is intended, and I already guessed this concerned Dempsey since he would be the only one enjoying such things, but wanted to make sure anyway.

That looks so pretty @Grimmstein, pięknie zrobione! 

Can't wait to read the new chapter tomorrow

On 10/8/2021 at 5:59 PM, RadZakpak said:

I've gone through and made edits to Book 1 and updated every chapter so far in Book 1 and 2 on the site. I'm freezing work on Book 1 for a long time now, so now's the best time to read it if you've been putting it off! 

 

https://www.callofdutyzombies.com/story/home/

Would highly recommend anyone who hasn't read it yet to start reading this masterpiece. Its canon to everything we know about the story till the finest details.

What kind of things did you update? Grammar and typos or also content or additions of sentences? Also, can I just say how I love the fact you made Richtofen hate leberwurst in the beginning of the book while he loves it in the end (CotD radio), showing his change in character. Details like that make this story so great

One more story before I go off to bed And so the story of our heroes continues, their fragile alliance developing further, whereas the remnants of the World War II horrids proceed into the Cold War. I should absolutely re-read Book 2 anytime soon!

5 minutes ago, PINNAZ said:

I was looking for this thread regarding the Mark Maestas = HYENA / Kuda / Crocuta easter egg & couldn't find it.

 

So Shameless bump nearly 6 years later...

I know about Hyena, but how does he refer to Kuda anc Crocuta?

Thorougly enjoyed it, nicely done. So cool that the two main stories are so different, Schuster's part being more alike to Book 1 and Ultimis' part being vastly different. I think I said it before but you can really "live into" your characters. I automatically hear the voices of Ultimis upon reading their part, and I know exactly what type Schuster and Bush are.

Haha this sounds fun!

@jiipee95 - Has a job in fungi removal but in secrecy earns most money with smuggling booze from Estonia to Finland. One day gets dehydrated by entering a sauna while having a hangover.

@Lenne - Takes control of Verrückt and invites Coldplay to perform a show at the central square. Upon hearing so, all patients lose their insanity.

@RadZakpak - Befriends an alligator. His dogs get jealous, trap him in a swamp and seize control over his CoDZ account. 

@RichKiller - Gets hired by the Mossad to solve ciphers that may pose a potential thread. Discovers Mossad works for Treyarch.

@Carnage Evoker

Hey @John Adam! Welcome to the forums! Have you been a player for some time already? What's your favourite wunderwaffe?

3 minutes ago, Tyler Wright said:

I checked the google maps on your link and it sent me to Orienburger Str. 285.Also to back me up, if you look closely you can see the exact same water fountain as on Verrukt so my speculation leads me to that Orienburger Str. 285 is the wright place to look if you're trying to look for Verrukt

That looks like the place! Where do you see the fountain exactly?

@RadZakpak the dawn of the continuation of this masterpiece! I like it how the tradition of two parallel stories is being maintained, with now Pernell replacing Peter's part. Thinking longer about it, the title is very well being chosen: As spoiled in 'Danke Schoen', it relates to Richtofen's Ascension to the Aether. But if we take into account that Pernell may have a prominent role in this story as well, "A Soul Alone" may also relate to the rise and fall into madness of his soul.

I also like it how in Pernell's part, Richtofen's intentions and whereabouts are dretched in such ambiance of mystery. That perfectly fits with Richtofen's role in the story. Then there is the part Schuster talks about the Zombies becoming passive, and the yellow light fading in their eyes. Imagine the gruesome feeling he must have when he saw that same yellow light in their eyes again, many years later in the Pentagon. Good forecasting to that!

In these two chapters introducing Ultimis, you already succeeded in making Nikolai's attitude to the rest clear: Nikolai liking Dempsey and (to a lesser degree) Richtofen, but despising Takeo. And the storm reference, of course, a nod to your theory. 

If you ever need assistence with explaining some (pseudo)sciencific stuff like what happens in Ascension, or any other Easter Egg process, feel free to shoot me a message, I'd love to help

This looks abdolutely awesome! Really love it, well done Grimmstein!

12 minutes ago, Jacob Vickers said:

i use any gun as long as i've got my desert eagle! son of executioner in bo2!

Just wanted to make sure you've read this:

Hey man, this is a forum of quality and we do not allow spam. Rankings mean nothing, I hope you know that and don't simply post for increasing in rank. If you will post more threads or comments like this, I will have to delete them or it may eventually lead to a ban of your account.

I know you are a good guy and don't mean anything bad, but due to your enormous amount of posts, other posts that are well-written and high-quality are overshadowed. I recommend you back down a little bit, take it easy and don't make any posts like this again. Quality above quantity. Also don't resurrect old posts

In simpler words, dont overspam the forums with comments. Otherwise I would be sorry to give you retaliations that may lead to (1) deletion of your comments or (2) permanent deletion of your account. I hope you understand this and be a cool member without posting too much (in too old threads).

@Jacob VickersOh yes, I forgot, posts that are too old are not allowed to reply on, since most likely no one will respond on it as it is a discussion being held many years back. You can, like HW said, create a new post yourself or look for more recent and relevant threads regarding the subject. 

This link (The Order of Forgotten Mysteries #7: Zombie Eyes - Story Discussion - Call of Duty Zombies) will redirect you to a more recent discussion thread about the eye colours of the undead. Feel free to share your thoughts threre!

@RichKiller didn't knew about that excerpt stating the Silverback escaped from Ascension, thank you for that. When and how do you think ithappened? As the newspaper is in Five (occuring simultaneous to Ascension), I assume it happens prior to the actual events of Ascension

13 hours ago, Jacob Vickers said:

i've played it 2-4 times co-op 2 times solo, so i focus on multiplayer & zombies. before campaign, i always try multiplayer 1st

Well what is something quite cool in most Call of Duty games, in my opinion, is to start with the Campaign to get 'into the whole atmosphere and ambiance of the era'. If you enter zombies after that, it really feels like this was some dark shady stuff going on at the same time as the whole campaign, which is nice in my opinion.

I self am not really a multiplayer player. I think the only games where I genuinely played multiplayer were Black Ops I and World War II. But everybody their own preferences!

2 minutes ago, Jacob Vickers said:

so it's kinda like lost and found in iw?

Sadly I never really played IW but yeah, as it sounds, I guess it is kinda the same. You just started playing the Final Reich? I really liked that map

Just now, Jacob Vickers said:

no, it's in the spawn room, right behind you when you spawn, it looks like a treasure chest

Ooh, that's the chest where you can pick up your weapons if you have died in a co-op match. So when you die, you spawn next round with merely a handpistol, then you run to that treasure chest and you can get your old loadout back again

3 hours ago, Jacob Vickers said:

so you've written over 2500 posts! WOW! i've only written 18 (19 including this) so far, and i joined dec 7th! and, did you know that launch and ascension look the same mostly? so here's a question. i'm assuming you've played the final reich. do you know how the retrieve chest works?

Haha I'm around here for some time already yep.

The Final Reich is some time back, please clear my mind. What was the retrieve chest again? Is it the name for the Magic Box?

2 minutes ago, Jacob Vickers said:

no, thanks. so, how do you rank up?

By making posts and comments! You can find out about the zombification ranks here

https://www.callofdutyzombies.com/zombiefications_levels.html/

6 minutes ago, Jacob Vickers said:

well,  richtofen was and always will be my favorite. the quote in tranzit 

never gets old for me. also, i love his funny german accent. "hmm...no power. Dempsey, go turn it on!"

Oooh, so true! Richtofen really is the funniest man, and many of his BO2 quotes are just so weird and great at the same time. Constantly talking to Stuh like he is talking to a little child, while being like a child himself as well haha.

5 minutes ago, Jacob Vickers said:

what do moderators do here? 

If you ask red admins like @Boom115, he'll probably say we do nothing and are useless. But 'green' moderators try to keep this forum tidy and clean. We notice and flag bots and spammers, and ban people who break the Code of Conduct. To keep the ambiance here on CoDZ kind and friendly. 

Have you just recently discovered this site? Are you a zombies enthousiast as well? 

If you are interested, dont hestitate to check out of Discord as well. Discord mostly is the place of quick talk, finding teammates, etc, while this site is for discussions and theories on the game and story. Here's the discord link if you are interested: https://discord.gg/FY2bdzxp