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RadZakpak

Classified Takes Place November 5th, 1963

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I just wanted to make this quick post because I want to be able to reference it in the future, and I know I will forget this information. Also others may find it somewhat enlightening.

 

Anyway, I don't know if there has been consensus on exactly when Classified takes place, we just know it was before November 6th, 1963 as that is the date "Five" takes place. But I have two pieces of evidence to suggest it takes place on November 5th:

 

1. The intro cutscene depicts Ultimis accidentally teleporting from Shangri-La to the Pentagon. As they arrive, it cuts to the Ascension cosmodrome, where Yuri has teleported Gersh, and is being teleported to the Pentagon by Samantha. Yuri then unleashes the dead, and Ultimis fights them off. Meanwhile, McNamara is in another room, prepping for the meeting on November 6th with Kennedy, Nixon, and Castro. Sam sends Yuri away, wanting him to come back to try and kill the attendees of the meeting when it does occur, as they are coming together to try and combat her.

 

Anyway, suffice to say, it seems all of these events take place on the same day. Here is the timeline entry for November 5th: 

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November 5th, 1963

Obeying Samantha’s wishes, Yuri tricks Gersh into activating the Gersh Device. The rift created absorbs him and allows Samantha to travel through. Yuri is also absorbed and transported to the Pentagon.

So for Yuri to be the one to release the zombies on Ultimis, it would have to be November 5th since the very next day is the "Five" incident and Yuri's capture.

 

2.

Here is an excerpt from a document in Alpha Omega: 

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November 8th, 1963 Memorandum

"November 8th, 1963

MEMORANUM TO DIRECTOR CORNELIUS PERNELL

SUBJECT: THE PENTAGON INCIDENT AND BROKEN ARROW

The Pentagon Incident has left many shaken; none more so that the President, our Secretary of Defense, the Former Vice President, and our honered Guest. The planned partnership between the United States and Cuba has been put on hold for the time being.

This is the second outbreak in the Pentagon in as many days - third including the incident last month. It is clear to us now that this attack can only have but one perpetrator: the entity known as Samantha. She has made her intentions clear - should we target her; our actions will be met with retaliation at the highest level. Any Broken Arrow Projects focused on a targeted assault of Samantha are to be shelved - indefinitely. While we on not bow down to evil, we must acknowledge that we are out of our element here. Anything we can do to not antagonize her further is of the highest priority.

The important line is in bold. So this is a couple of days after the "Five" outbreak, and it references this as the third outbreak at the Pentagon. The first was the incident with Dr. Lehman releasing gaseous 115 in the vents on October 18th, causing an outbreak. The "Five" incident is referred to as the "second outbreak in the Pentagon in as many days". Now, I'm a native English speaker, but I've never really heard the phrase "in as many days" and decided to look it up. Here is what it means: The phrase in as many days (or weeks, years, etc.) refers to how often something happens. Specifically, it tells you that the number of events is the same as the number of days. 

 

So in essence, Sawyer is saying the is the SECOND outbreak in TWO days, the second being on Nov 6th, ergo, the first has to be Nov 5th.

 

 

So there is the definitive proof Classified takes place on November 5th. Does it seem a little implausible that they cleaned up the mess in one day and then allowed four VIPs inside? Perhaps, but the point is, November 5th is the intended date.

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Now I am confused. I thought Broken Arrow was in response to the events of “Five”?

 

Doesn’t the “Weapons targeting Samantha line” imply that Broken Arrow was operating as Broken Arrow before the outbreaks? Chronicles and Classified make it appear that Broken Arrow was the 115 division of the DoD pre-five.

 

Maybe saying 2 incidents in two days is a bit semantic? The outbreak could have begun during the evening of Nov. 5 and died down once Ultimis left. Then during midnight/early morning, the next wave of the outbreak happens? I would have to check the clocks in each. Plus, it doesn’t account for how they cleaned up the Pentagon. The Panic Room, for example, looks fine in the Five cinematic.

 

It would make more sense if “Five” happened first.  The “Five” outbreak stifles the talks with Cuba and causes McNamara to become preoccupied with Samantha. The Pentagon survives, but is in shambles. In the process of recuperating, Ultimis arrives and triggers another outbreak; most likely because the Pentagon is in a vulnerable state.

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7 hours ago, RadZakpak said:

So there is the definitive proof Classified takes place on November 5th. Does it seem a little implausible that they cleaned up the mess in one day and then allowed four VIPs inside? Perhaps, but the point is, November 5th is the intended date.

Who knows what kind of advanced brooms they had in the Pentagon. 

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Reading this thread I'm pretty sure it has to be on the 5th, nice detective work Rad! @Mattzs I agree with you on the Broken Arrow part, but in Classified we have this radio:

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I've made arrangements for the President and Castro to discuss the Broken Arrow initiative. If Samantha poses as greater threat as it seems we must put aside our differences, no nation alone can defeat her. An alliance must be formed, we must reach across the metaphorical aisle. The meeting will be held here the Pentagon in the coming days.

So Broken Arrow projects already existed, though not worked out or executed, waiting for the official approval of the American government. The "Five" outbreak was the last drop of water that made Broken Arrow to officially gain this approval, I think. 

 

This sentence holds more important things: An international alliance for defend Earth against Samantha. There are a number of oddities spread throughout zombie maps that could easily be explained by the idea of an international cooperation concerning zombies: A Soviet Lunar Lander in what appears to be West Germany, a Broken Arrow facility in China right next to what we presume to be the USSR's Global Polarization Device. And there is more: The appearance of Russian/Cyrillic words on items in Tranzit and Moon are well-known, or rather notorious. Could this too be explained with an 'International Cooperation'? We got the following:

  • A word meaning infected or contaminated.
    l6pPARinG3P0e9M0ujgVboRBCKehQDWHswvH5suk
  • A sentence meaning ‘Control-Dosimetry item “Child”. “Child” is also the name of a village located in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. The way this word is written between double quotation marks make it seem like it is a name of an item or operation or something. Dosimetry refers to the calculation of ionizing radiation, used for radiation protection in e.g. the aftermath of Chernobyl.
    nJF_Mboq6c8yuNsn48oKB_ZCWHJb-dyS5LrdtljE
  • A sentence meaning ‘through 500m’. Is there something laying 500 meter deep in the ground? I am unable to find if this can only be found on Moon, or Tranzit too.

The initial possible explanation of these words was the idea that Hanford was a Russian Sleeper Cell location. In the Black Ops Campaign, we encounter a map of the USA where Drakovich has Nova-6 Sleeper Cells located:

7yYM3UX7T7aS2A-oT19UzbgTvINlx3wXQSnX7GNW

These are groups of sleeper agents who inconspicuously remain dormant in a community until activated, by a prearranged signal, to enable a chemical attack of the highly toxic Nova-6 gas. As seen on the map, a Sleeper Cell is also located in Washington State, possibly at the Hanford Campus. The Russian crates could carry Nova-6, ready to havoc the largest chemical attack in history. It might even explain the battle between the Black Ops and Spetsnaz in Nuketown. However, it wouldn’t explain the presence of the crates in Griffin Station, so I like the second theory more.

 

The USSR and US are having a Cold War affair about the remnants of Group 935’s works, with the Space Race to Griffin Station as the jackpot. In 1963, however, the American government was concerned about an entity known as ‘Samantha’, the Child, a thread for the entire planet. The intro cutscene of the map “Five” shows some kind of attempt for reconciliation between Kennedy and Castro to discuss formal matters:  Discussing the Samantha thread, and how to defend against her. I could see that after Castro seeing the undead with his own eyes, and surviving the outbreak, he surely would be willing to cooperate in the war against the German girl. More world leaders would follow, most notably those of the USSR. China’s ‘International Zombie Centre’, which is also marked on the Broken Arrow map in Camp Edward, could be proof for this. There is international cooperation in all matters concerning the Element, among which Hanford, Griffin Station, and even the Asian Time Paradox Site (Shangri La), where Russian crates can also be found. Maybe this organisation is even the CoD Zombie Labs.

 

I'm sorry if I go too in-depth in this point :)

 

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It should be noted that plenty of experiments were going on in the Pentagon with Dr. Schuster under the DoD well before Broken Arrow. Pernell was just the station chief at Groom Lake, where all the 115 for the experiments was. He had been proposing Broken Arrow for years, but after a visit by Sawyer and Schuster where Schuster goes on a rant about all the outbreaks going on in the past 20 years caused by Samantha, Pernell does some research and presents the evidence to McNamara, who then decides to set up this meeting after the Dr. Lehman incident. Then after the Five incident, the third outbreak, on November 19th the Broken Arrow program is created. Experiments with 115 were already happening across the country, but this simply folded them together into one company headed by Pernell. So the only real change that came with the Broken Arrow name is new, unified leadership.

 

Here is an updated timeline I am working on, check out from 1946-1968 and the creation of Broken Arrow will start to make a little more sense: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtGWoRLpXmx7Y28OcJB7j6TPJVMIONCF02_T_6ROpoU

 

As for cleaning in a day, the President is coming, you need all hands on deck and plenty of security.

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44 minutes ago, RadZakpak said:

Here is an updated timeline I am working on, check out from 1946-1968 and the creation of Broken Arrow will start to make a little more sense: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EtGWoRLpXmx7Y28OcJB7j6TPJVMIONCF02_T_6ROpoU

Fockin' neat! How would you feel about it if we could make an interactive manifestation of this thing on our site, complete with images and Victis-Ultimis-Primis-Richthofen teleportation links (like in the doc)? @Hells Warrrior Do you think the 'Egg Step' system or something could work?

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7 minutes ago, anonymous said:

Fockin' neat! How would you feel about it if we could make an interactive manifestation of this thing on our site, complete with images and Victis-Ultimis-Primis-Richthofen teleportation links (like in the doc)? @Hells Warrrior Do you think the 'Egg Step' system or something could work?

I was originally intending this to be for the wiki, but it can be multi-purpose. It is currently WIP as I’ve only added a couple real life events and info from Classified/Alpha Omega. No broken cycle stuff yet.

 

And credit for the structuring and the transcript of the original timeline goes to @Monopoly Mac, I just copied his original and added to it.

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Reading this thread I'm pretty sure it has to be on the 5th, nice detective work Rad! @Mattzs I agree with you on the Broken Arrow part, but in Classified we have this radio:

So Broken Arrow projects already existed, though not worked out or executed, waiting for the official approval of the American government. The "Five" outbreak was the last drop of water that made Broken Arrow to officially gain this approval, I think. 

 

This sentence holds more important things: An international alliance for defend Earth against Samantha. There are a number of oddities spread throughout zombie maps that could easily be explained by the idea of an international cooperation concerning zombies: A Soviet Lunar Lander in what appears to be West Germany, a Broken Arrow facility in China right next to what we presume to be the USSR's Global Polarization Device. And there is more: The appearance of Russian/Cyrillic words on items in Tranzit and Moon are well-known, or rather notorious. Could this too be explained with an 'International Cooperation'? We got the following:

  • A word meaning infected or contaminated.
    l6pPARinG3P0e9M0ujgVboRBCKehQDWHswvH5suk
  • A sentence meaning ‘Control-Dosimetry item “Child”. “Child” is also the name of a village located in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. The way this word is written between double quotation marks make it seem like it is a name of an item or operation or something. Dosimetry refers to the calculation of ionizing radiation, used for radiation protection in e.g. the aftermath of Chernobyl.
    nJF_Mboq6c8yuNsn48oKB_ZCWHJb-dyS5LrdtljE
  • A sentence meaning ‘through 500m’. Is there something laying 500 meter deep in the ground? I am unable to find if this can only be found on Moon, or Tranzit too.

The initial possible explanation of these words was the idea that Hanford was a Russian Sleeper Cell location. In the Black Ops Campaign, we encounter a map of the USA where Drakovich has Nova-6 Sleeper Cells located:

7yYM3UX7T7aS2A-oT19UzbgTvINlx3wXQSnX7GNW

These are groups of sleeper agents who inconspicuously remain dormant in a community until activated, by a prearranged signal, to enable a chemical attack of the highly toxic Nova-6 gas. As seen on the map, a Sleeper Cell is also located in Washington State, possibly at the Hanford Campus. The Russian crates could carry Nova-6, ready to havoc the largest chemical attack in history. It might even explain the battle between the Black Ops and Spetsnaz in Nuketown. However, it wouldn’t explain the presence of the crates in Griffin Station, so I like the second theory more.

 

The USSR and US are having a Cold War affair about the remnants of Group 935’s works, with the Space Race to Griffin Station as the jackpot. In 1963, however, the American government was concerned about an entity known as ‘Samantha’, the Child, a thread for the entire planet. The intro cutscene of the map “Five” shows some kind of attempt for reconciliation between Kennedy and Castro to discuss formal matters:  Discussing the Samantha thread, and how to defend against her. I could see that after Castro seeing the undead with his own eyes, and surviving the outbreak, he surely would be willing to cooperate in the war against the German girl. More world leaders would follow, most notably those of the USSR. China’s ‘International Zombie Centre’, which is also marked on the Broken Arrow map in Camp Edward, could be proof for this. There is international cooperation in all matters concerning the Element, among which Hanford, Griffin Station, and even the Asian Time Paradox Site (Shangri La), where Russian crates can also be found. Maybe this organisation is even the CoD Zombie Labs.

 

I'm sorry if I go too in-depth in this point ?

 

Don't worry, I always appreciate more detail. That is really interesting, especially the campaign connections. That is a nice way to add the Nuketown skirmish.

 

I just thought it was weird that it refers to the pre-five operations as  Broken Arrow.  They mention "projects focusing on a targeted assault". It makes it seem like Broken Arrow was more than a concept at that point. Shouldn't they just be the 115 Dod operations?

 

 

@RadZakpak That is a great idea to expand Mac's timeline to a Google Doc. Given how flexible the story is, having the Doc is like our own Kronorium.

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Reading your upgraded timeline, I realized we got a paradox issue:

 

We got Ultimis in nighttime Groom Lake at 1963, during Classified (BO4). After this, we first encounter them in dayline Groom Lake (BO1) where if I recall correctly a banner with the year 1963 or something can be seen, so this would fit with the idea that Ultimis is fighting the horde here until it gets daytime. Now, we got this:

 

"October 13th, 2025 - MOON

Using the Vril Device and the Focusing Stone, Richtofen completes his Grand Scheme and swaps bodies with Samantha on the Moon, giving him full control of the zombies and the Aether. "

 

Moon is in 2025, so the only thing I can imagine is that either A. Bo1 Groom Lake is in 2025 too or B. the MTD between Groom Lake and Griffin Station timetravels 62 years in the future and past every time we use it. But then, when we blow Earth up, No Man's Land (1963) is on fire too while we shot the rockets at 2025 Earth. 

 

And as a last thing, this is how Earth looks like when seen from the Moon.

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Like the supercontinent Pangea 250 million years ago. We see this go in fire after the rockets blast as well. So what is all this? Did we cause the Permian extinction, the largest extinction ever, or something? In the Shangri La loading screan, which is at the same time ("meanwhile") as the Moon loading screen, we see an Eclipse. Perhaps, every time there is an Eclipse, timetravel is fucked or something? Right now too tired to think about all this.

 

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I don't know about the Earth's appearance there, I don't remember it looking like that.

 

But as for getting from Classified to Moon, on June 21st, 1963, Colonel Sawyer writes about the lack of progress on Schuster creating a teleporter to the Moon, despite being successful in making one to Groom Lake from the Pentagon. Sawyer actually speculates that Schuster is intentionally delaying the project out of fear of Samantha, and that Pernell now believes in Samantha and is actively assisting Schuster in delaying the project. I don't know that is entirely intentional, as Schuster does seem rather frustrated at the failures, and on August 3rd, 1963, after a failure, Ultimis arrives in place of the test subject. But importantly, Schuster notes that the test subject likely actually did end up on the Moon, just at some point in the far future. Turns out, Ultimis is from 2025 on the Moon.

 

Anyway, Schuster cannot seem to perfect sending subjects to the Moon on the same date they are sent. In the coming months, the Broken Arrow program is proposed and approved, and focus of research shifts to combating Samantha. Then on October 18th, Dr. Lehman releases gaseous 115 and Schuster (possibly (god I hope not)) dies. Progress on teleporting to the Moon has slowed as focus of research shifts and the United States is actively trying to get the Soviet Union on their side against Samantha, there is no longer the race to the Moon for the time being.

 

Okay I went a little too in-depth there, but all that to say, on the date of Classified, November 5th, there was little to no focus on teleportation to the Moon. However, that's where Richtofen needs to be. So teleporting from the Pentagon to Groom Lake, they fight through the night, only for Richtofen to find the teleporter still in a state where subjects are sent to the Moon, but way too far in the future. Present? Past? Future? It's all the same as long as the MPD is present with Samantha inside, so Richtofen just uses it as is.

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How would it work with the teleportation back, then? Why is the Griffin Station pad linked with a teleporter in Groom Lake 1963?

 

The explanation might lay in the fact that, from my understanding, we teleport from a Linking Pad, rather than a real teleporter, something we never done before. In Der Riese, Kino and Der Eisendrache, we teleport from either MTD to MTD or MTD to Linking Pad. Now we do the reverze of the latter. Maybe it has something to do with the underlaying MPD? After all, it teleported Richthofen and might be a corrupted version of the Keeper's teleport devices. 

 

The most easy explanation is that upon return to Groom Lake, it is in 2025 too. Perhaps after the major outbreak the site was abandoned, thus the 1963 banner (this is right, right? I still am unsure if its true or Im just making up something) still being there in 2025. This explains why Groom Lake is on fire after sending the rockets from 2025 Moon to Earth. The Earth is scattered in pieces and the Magnetic Field goes wack, causing Temporal Rifts all over history. However, the timeline also states that the missles leave our planet "fractured and broken". I believe fractures are created by a butterfly effect in the past, e.g. killing Richthofen in dozens of universes, doing the corpses step in Buried ("we created a tear in space-time), etc. Maybe this is another explanation for a Groom Lake that appears in 1963 to be on fire. We got those Vril artifacts put into the rockets, possibly still linked with the MPD, which could be linked with 1963. When we did kaboom to Earth, multiple things happened:

  • Since we had a 1963 where everything had to be allright (otherwise Ultimis could never got so far in e.g. CotD in 2011 and Classified in 1963), the original timeline maintains like this. Just normal
  • We got a fracture where the rockets hit Earth in 1963, causing the odd tectonic shift resulting in supercontinent on Earth we see from the Moon, 2025.
  • We got the rockets hitting Earth at the actual time we see in Moon, in 2025. Since this doesn't contradict with the past, this doesn't create a fracture and is an actual event happening in the original universe.

I'm unsure how the link with 1963 and the Vril Spheres would work, but I imagine they must have some role in this fracturing of Earth. In DE, we need a hella lot of rockets to harm the Moon. In Moon, we need only three to not only destroy Earth, a planet way bigger than the Moon, but also make it fracture. Noclipping Moon during the Easter Egg shows us that the Vril Sphere is three-doublicated and put in every rocket. Three Spheres, three rockets, three possible outcomes of that universe? I'm probably looking at things that shouldn't be canon but hey, I like thinking about these things.

 

 

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How would it work with the teleportation back, then? Why is the Griffin Station pad linked with a teleporter in Groom Lake 1963?

 

The explanation might lay in the fact that, from my understanding, we teleport from a Linking Pad, rather than a real teleporter, something we never done before. In Der Riese, Kino and Der Eisendrache, we teleport from either MTD to MTD or MTD to Linking Pad. Now we do the reverze of the latter. Maybe it has something to do with the underlaying MPD? After all, it teleported Richthofen and might be a corrupted version of the Keeper's teleport devices. 

 

The most easy explanation is that upon return to Groom Lake, it is in 2025 too. Perhaps after the major outbreak the site was abandoned, thus the 1963 banner (this is right, right? I still am unsure if its true or Im just making up something) still being there in 2025. This explains why Groom Lake is on fire after sending the rockets from 2025 Moon to Earth. The Earth is scattered in pieces and the Magnetic Field goes wack, causing Temporal Rifts all over history. However, the timeline also states that the missles leave our planet "fractured and broken". I believe fractures are created by a butterfly effect in the past, e.g. killing Richthofen in dozens of universes, doing the corpses step in Buried ("we created a tear in space-time), etc. Maybe this is another explanation for a Groom Lake that appears in 1963 to be on fire. We got those Vril artifacts put into the rockets, possibly still linked with the MPD, which could be linked with 1963. When we did kaboom to Earth, multiple things happened:

  • Since we had a 1963 where everything had to be allright (otherwise Ultimis could never got so far in e.g. CotD in 2011 and Classified in 1963), the original timeline maintains like this. Just normal
  • We got a fracture where the rockets hit Earth in 1963, causing the odd tectonic shift resulting in supercontinent on Earth we see from the Moon, 2025.
  • We got the rockets hitting Earth at the actual time we see in Moon, in 2025. Since this doesn't contradict with the past, this doesn't create a fracture and is an actual event happening in the original universe.

I'm unsure how the link with 1963 and the Vril Spheres would work, but I imagine they must have some role in this fracturing of Earth. In DE, we need a hella lot of rockets to harm the Moon. In Moon, we need only three to not only destroy Earth, a planet way bigger than the Moon, but also make it fracture. Noclipping Moon during the Easter Egg shows us that the Vril Sphere is three-doublicated and put in every rocket. Three Spheres, three rockets, three possible outcomes of that universe? I'm probably looking at things that shouldn't be canon but hey, I like thinking about these things.

 

 

Very interesting thoughts. Thinking about the Vril Egg, its purpose was opening the MPD, creating that pathway between our dimension and the Aether.

 

Maxis seemed to have his plan ready when Richtofen switched his body with Sam: by sending the Vril egg to Earth and destroying it, the link is thus severed. But sending three? Perhaps that was Maxis’ attempt at creating a paradox, to prevent Richtofen from ever being able to mend the rift.

 

But, hear me out, could this be the reason Richtofen is able to revert Victis back every time they fail or die? Because they are now trapped in this paradoxical Earth? This reminds me of your thread where you asked how they got the navcard from Buried to TranZit. There are many hints at Victis having been through all this multiple times: “Reincarnation is key”, the deaths in the cutscene, round infinity, etc. So Victis could be in their own contained cycle. The Earth may have been literally, “Fractured”.

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Aparently No Man's Land has a banner stating:

"Greetings From

Groom Lake

Nevada

Detachment 1, 1129th Division Special Activities Squadron"

 

 

This banner was likely hung for a ceremony to celebrate the 1129th Division SAS pilot's 500th flight, occuring on October 3rd, 1966. Do you know if this banner is still there in BO4's Groom Lake we visit during Classified? Is there a time jump between Classified and No Man's Land?

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Aparently No Man's Land has a banner stating:

"Greetings From

Groom Lake

Nevada

"

 

 

This banner was likely hung for a ceremony to celebrate the 1129th Division SAS pilot's 500th flight, occuring on October 3rd, 1966. Do you know if this banner is still there in BO4's Groom Lake we visit during Classified? Is there a time jump between Classified and No Man's Land?

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It is there, but I don't think it's necessarily welcoming the detachment, it's a welcome to the reader from the detachment, which are stationed at Groom Lake.  But I can't find mentions of this group after the 60s, so maybe this is an indication the Groom Lake in Classified is in 63?

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