Charles871987

Definitely see your points here, and yes Eddie could have brought over his N4 dolls in preparation for his turn tomorrow meaning the Origns map takes place at your specified time ranges. Definitely hope to see it continue and understand your optimism, just a realist myself I guess lol.

My point exactly, to make this all make sense, THEY HAVE TO BE POST 2025, as that's the highest time we've been to. *Was hoping for a future future map myself haha* As far as them coming up with complex riddles and such for the EE, well when you were a child and you would talk about something you were passionate for and thought you were the smartest person on the subject, but ended up being ill informed, it could be like this for the complexity of it all. I mean to them they are just Saying "solve this color or number puzzle" but think its extremely hard, and so In the game world it is lol. Edit: your comment about eddie being physcopathic, well this could be explained two ways 1. maybe he liked being that way? Lol I know when I was younger I liked to act crazy in general and as I said above with the complexity puzzle issue, this could be amplified and made more mature by them just believing they know what they're talking about and to us it comes off differently, because I doubt they are acting out every single word to their games. 2. It was Samantha's turn, so "shut the hell up Eddie!" Summary; When observing a child play with their toys from afar seems simple, it could be on a whole different level to them, with complexity beyond our imagination lol. I know my 2 year old will sometimes babble for minutes and has emotion like she knows what the fuck she's saying but it's all gibberish to me and the misses lol.

So, initial reactions are that the entire story and all of our gameplay across several maps was just the imagined world of two children playing with toys. This is a fair assumption, but the implications that this is how it ends I think are false. Here's why... The siren in the background and Sam's father's instructions to lock the windows and head to the basement shortly after implies they're living in some dangerous world, possibly zombie infested? Eddie states that "girls don't know enough about zombies" and this could imply that zombies are a huge part of life and not just a fictional ocurrence that only fans have knowledge of. Sam states that, "tomorrow, eddie, you get to make the rules" to imply that there's more to come. Sam also states that her "dad has a plan" and that "we will make everything ok" to imply there is more to come. Based off those key quotes and the storyline so far, I am theorizing that these two children are playing make-believe and that imagined world is what we've been experiencing throughout the 3 Treyarch titles. This much is pretty solid in my mind and it fills all the gaps in the storyline because it's imagined so it doesn't have to be perfect. However, for a child to imagine certain things we see during our gameplay, there would have to be some real-world knowledge they're pulling from. I think the world these two children live in is infested by zombies and this is where they get their inspiration for their game from. This is why Eddie desires the heroes to be real. Their world has no zombie slaying heroes, so the children make them up as a hope that heroes like the O4 would truly exist and help cleanse their world of the infected. If that's the case, it's quite possible that the true origins of the zombies in Samantha & Eddie's world were created in some other way. This is a clever way for Treyarch to wipe the storyboard clean and start anew, so I'm excited. On the other hand... Let's suppose that everything we've gone through was real. Samantha was trapped inside the Aether, Richtofen is also there within her body and Maxis has a presence there as well, perhaps not directly connected to Rich/Sam. Maybe they've been there for ages, after the entire world has been destroyed. Their only communication is with themselves and this scene depicts the imagined world they've created for themselves in order to perpetuate their existence. We all do the same thing. Quantum theories suggest our perception actually creates the reality we live in, so it's not difficult to suggest that a person trapped within some other dimension, alone and isolated, could recreate their reality as they saw fit. Having lost all connections to their pre-conditioned world that the rest of humanity would call "real", Sam would most definitely have had to recreate her reality out of necessity. Richtofen and Maxis seem to have suffered a similar fate, Richtofen being more directly connected to Sam, would have to appear as a closer entity in Sam's imagined world. Therefore, Sam has given him the role of her playmate and they continually "play" together. In conclusion, I think either these are children living in a zombie infested world and the real story is just beginning... OR Sam, Richtofen, and Maxis are trapped within another dimension, immortal, and share the same imagined reality: Sam and Richtofen playing together, Maxis continuing his research. FINALLY, someone that seems to understand how multiple scenarios could be handled by Treyarch and put it into detailed and articulate reasoning, I also like how you observed that they could currently be in a Zombie Apocalypse *Map Pack Name is making sense now huh* and they have this information to go by to create their games and wish for heroes to cope with their lives. I also especially like how you didn't throw your hat in with the other theories that somehow ALL The events transpired in our "imagined reality" could still have happened, I'm sorry but the people that think Maxis would make this all real just to make his girl happy are insanely over thinking it, I mean if he did, then how did Samantha know everything that would happen as an end result of his actions if he did this? TAKE THIS POINT INTO CONSIDERATION FIRST; This includes how their heroes would look, act and where they would go. The etches on the bed post of previous games and all of the paraphernalia around the room suggesting THEY KNEW ABOUT the other maps. This is more like two kids deciding what their origin story would be after all the other maps that we have played. No, the only somewhat plausible scenario I could see happening is that there really was a Zombie apocalypse going on or even a WWIII possibly 2025? (we have NO CONFIRMATION it was WWII) and if this cutscene happened post 2025 it could explain how Samantha pulled CotD celebrities and such. Anyways back on my point, if Ludvig did do something to help his country win the war, and inadvertently or purposely created zombies, or someone else did and somehow Samantha entered the Aether and gained control over all kinds of Magics, she could possibly breathe life into our 8 heroes maybe more (20 total) and we could see them in a third title going on new "REAL" adventures. I will however have to disagree with the "Show must go on" idea that you seem pretty attached to. While I hope that the series will continue, I cannot see them %100 going forward with more stories, it could be a simple case of them leaving while it's still good type of thing. Although I know some will definitely not think that this was leaving while it was good lol, I personally thought it was ingenious because a plethora of reasons leading up to it, and would be completely fine if I never saw another zombies mode from Treyarch or the like. Anyways just my opinion obviously. I just wanted to applaud how well written you are and having a great grasp of it all.

Funny enough you actually missed the elephant in the room, and by elephant I meant the N4 under the bed beside the bed leg with the tally marks, well more like N3, as misty is not seen which is kind of funny since Dempsey isn't either (POV theory I know) but kinda funny since once upon a time a lot of people thought something of the two, maybe treyarch implemented this on purpose? Who knows. On an off topic IM SO FREAKING PISSED OFF THERE WAS NO REPLACERS VIDEO, ya know to round out the 4 people that should have been in the car with Stomare lol. Ah well from the third video you could tell Treyarch/Activision lost interest in this media form as they did NO REPLACING :(

While it is sort of a cop out, I'm personally glad I didn't "choose the wrong side" with the N4 story as I'm a STICKLER FOR CANON with story lines lol. Also speaking of the picking a side, this nonsense EMBODIED the very nature of child like behavior, and among many other things through out the past 5 years, has hinted this being all a game, so if this was truly what treyarch was planning from the beginning,... I'd personally have to say congratulations lol. I am however one of the minority that liked Losts ending, Star ocean 3 til the end of time, Buffy the vampire slayer "asylum episode" and for the oldies Bob newhart shows endings lmao, so I'm sure why others see it as bullshit.

But why? Eddie didn't even get his turn... Eddie most certainly had his turn, 10 in fact, look at the bed leg. That comment was from a disgruntled little boy just like the "Their eyes should be blue" comment, simply children bickering. What I'm more concerned with and this may not be as relevant is why neither Dempsey or Misty is seen as dolls? Yes I've studied it hard and they're not there. Never mind the other 12 characters as they were just celebrities, and they probably didn't feel like rendering them or something with representation rights.

Pretty solid read, the only thing I'd have to disagree on is your strong view on Eddie "not having his turn yet" and "their eyes should be blue" and that its stating that its possible that the "real events haven't occurred yet" which is possible yes, but this cutscene could just have easily been depicting what happened the first time they played their game just as well which of course he wouldn't have had the time to craft their eyes blue. Also take into account you can see the N4 characters under the bed and they only knew of Richtofen being in control so obviously the kids have been playing their game a while now and that statement from Richtofen was simply a statement by a disgruntled child not getting his turn, along with all the etch marks on the bed leg showing that Sam won 20 games and Eddie only 10 lol I personally believe it could go EITHER WAY, it ends or continues with a new story or some sort of retcon of the whole thing. P.S THE ONLY THING that I've noticed that contradicts all of this is how they associated their game with Call of the Dead characters and the actors, but I suppose for all we know that those sirens were from a Zombie apocalypse and or WWIII and it was 2025 lol. Also did anyone else notice that Misty and Dempsey were nowhere to be found? Never mind the chars from Five, CotD, and MotD those are probably tied up in representation rights or something. Edit: Also there eyes are blue in Origins, and yellow, and purplish with a white tint lol.

Can be done with two; have fun!

Already stated it can be done two player, people are still seeing if it can be done solo, so far it looks promising. Think back bo1 eggs, bo2 origins = moon which is doable with 2.

Regardless of the practical use as of right with the extremely short half life, it's still really cool regarding our zombie community, and it's irony at its best lmao.

If you say you watched your friends complete the entire EE before most of us did, then surely you should tell them to brag about it over here and provide us with a full tutorial. Our amazing Easter Egg discoverers (whom have been skipping some night just to figure out some steps) would love to see a random bunch stepping in, saying they were the first ones to solve it... as long as they have definitive proof. :- p Oh I can understand that, my 2 friends aren't really into the whole social thing so they could care less about bragging rights, but once they get up tomorrow ill try and get them to write up what they did and can hopefully provide the step details on how to progress to the end. As I said, I watched but not in detail, ya know went out of the room to go get food, drinks, what have you so I can't really detail much heck I almost missed the final cutscene because I was heading out the Door to pick up some Taco Bell! It was pretty funny they were screaming for me to come back haha. Also just wanted to confirm that this EE doesn't require you have 4 players (Woot!) as most of us, even the ones that enjoy doing them; could agree that it's annoying to rely on everyone's Internet connection and iffy servers sometimes with disconnects and the random real life events that come up which ruin the hours you invested (granted with bo2 you can replace people which is nice) but still.

Oh, for the love of Richtofen, provide the details, man! Believe me I want to but I think it's prohibited right now by the admins as to not spoil anything before the majority of the site gets around the same progression I think, as I didn't record every single step In detail to post here for you guys I feel I would do an injustice to all of those that are doing their best to get it detailed and perfected for those who wish to follow said guides. I will warn you about the ending, it's not an ending that most people like, I simply enjoy the little tidbits of information that's been littered throughout the series the past 5 years. Could they have ended it differently and it be better? ABSOLUTELY, but its not my story to tell lol, and who knows judging by the way they talked about "one possible view" this could simply be them Saying there will be other ways to tell the story so who knows lol, if it is left with this though. I'm ok with that personally, the map is pretty awesome so can't complain lol.

Well just watched my Xbox friends (ps3 player here lol) complete this EE on 2 player, so this is definite (THANK THE ZOMBIE GODS) as I predicted it would be this way simply following the pattern of player requirements of BO1: Ascension 4 - Moon 2 same pattern here thankfully lol. It looks as if it MIGHT be possible solo as well but friends are testing with this as of now. This map seems really fun and does tie up A LOT of loose ends, I won't say anything as of now as it seems that's forbidden at the time but ill chime in once everyone's ready for the record though I absolutely applaud treyarch for it, and yes I know I'm in the minority.

The xbox update? or just the black ops 2 update? i haven't done the xbox update, but after the black ops 2 update the box in the courthouse on buried is still lit up accurately to reflect the EE's i've done but the map select screen does not light up at all on any of them I haven't checked the box in the courthouse myself but I was referring to some people saying their towers were lighting up again and was wondering if it was an error or on purpose. My towers aren't lit on the ps3 so wasn't sure.

Just as well seeing how PS3 doesn't even get a Zombies store lol, always thought that was weird... I meant the In-Game Stores in Multiplayer and Zombies. I know what you meant, I was just stating how I thought it was strange that the PS3 version doesn't even get a zombies store at all. And the comment about fast Internet, I was just stating my speeds and averages not bragging lol. Honestly in some countries that's considered snail speed, I'm fine with it though.

Just as well seeing how PS3 doesn't even get a Zombies store lol, always thought that was weird...

I'm personally hoping for a MUCH BETTER replacers video, obviously the last one sucked as they didn't do ANY REPLACING. Lol I'm hoping they go all out since they're adding a fourth person and yes you know they are lol.

Call me ignorant but I was under the impression that Maxis accidentally stumbled upon the creation of zombies on a radio in Der Reise?

1-2 GB takes around 10-30 minutes on average for 30 Mbps. I can DL 7 GB files in around an hour tops.

Ok I'm a bit confused, people are saying that with the new Xbox update that even if they PRESSED THE SWITCH in buried that their towers become lit again? I am on PS3 and when the button was pressed the tower's lights went out, and I was told it did this on Xbox as well, so the tower's lights switch back on?

Seeing as how Nolan north is already in the game... I think it's safe to bet that they all come back also I believe the VA for Nikolai tweeted about the game as well, and Steve Blum will take most any job lol, especially one that's a continuation of a character of his. He's also stated that he enjoys doing VA work providing a more natural use of his voice like in Cowboy Bebop Spike Spiegel as opposed to Orichimaru in Naruto lol, so Tank is a sure fire for him returning. At the risk of sounding racist they could get most any JP VA and would sound like Takeo.

Good theory but Maxis wasn't the victor, both won in their own way and unless Treyarch says otherwise, they are both Canon.

Seriously Dapikmin you're phishing for answers to POINTLESS questions EE or not. And to go so far as to say that the N4 weren't involved in Nuketown and like that might matter? First of all you shouldn't be counting tranzit at all seeing as how kino wasnt counted in the first games name so it should start from Die rise. Also CotD was also counted in the fear deal too so further shows who the main characters don't matter in the map. Lastly Zombieofthedead says the exact thing I've said before, SO MUCH REACHING by some to go as far as choosing the LAST LETTER of the MAPS NAMES (wouldnt be surprised to see some threads pop about the maps locations lol)as opposed to the FIRST LETTER of the MAP PACK NAMES like it was in BO1, if there was to be any suit followed it would involve at the very least the semblance of the map pack name and preferrably the first letter of said map pack name. Or the last letter of the map pack name, something like that. We can all mostly agree it was merely a conincedence that FEAR was spelled out. I guess fear could be associated to anything involving Terror plots (bo1) it would have nothing to do with mp of course which is the map packs main audience, and most here thought it was a reference to zombie related which I doubt treyarchs main focus was on the zombie side of the game and their whole reasoning for spelling out fear was for the zombie community EE lol. The most logical thing other than it being pure conincedence is that Treyarch realized by map pack 3 it was FEA and named the fourth dlc with an R to spell that out, and it just worked out like that, but it most likely was never intentionally suppose to spell out FEAR.

Thank you all for your replies I understand now.

Two questions gambit 1. I didn't realize 1917 Richtofen had vials of blood from MotD crew? Where is this stated, in the origins trailer? 2. Who is this editor you speak of? Is this a reference to the announcer for MotD?