MysteryMachineX

It is in Project Nova and WMD. Left side of the page and top middle, respectively.

Okay. Lol, just like there are millions of Nazis at Kino der Toten? No no, the sheer number of Zombies is a gameplay mechanic. But yes, it's cool that your theory is confirmed now TacticalInsertion, thanks to BlindBusDriver. I had figured that that was correct, but it is nice to see it proven definately.

It's okay, don't beat yourself up. That is possible. But my point is that the massacre = the outbreak.

I just posted the exact intel in my last post.

I sincerely apologize. I did not see that. So I could see that that it is possible. But couldn't they just have crashed? I don't see why either reason is unbelievable. In the WMD quote above, it states that there was a massacre after World War II. This is the same time when the there was a Zombie outbreak. They are one in the same. The standoff occurs afterwards. And there is no timeline on it that specific. It says nothing about armies participating in a massacre. All it says is that there was a standoff between Russians and Americans AFTER the massacre. Although I don't think it is exactly wise to not change a theory simply because it is inconvenient in spite of its likelihood. I'm not saying anything additional to what I've stated except that I think your reason that it'd make your story irrelevant is, well, a poor reason. Good points, but I don't think there's anything I can say about them that hasn't already been said. That is all in the intel. Wait wait wait, wouldn't that put him on the Russian side? I thought you meant Survivors of the outbreak aspect. If I am correct in linking the outbreak and massacre together, then that means that Pavel Gorki was once a member of 935. So there were two survivors of the outbreak: low-level assistants. One went to the USA. One went to the USSR. Both told of the strange German projects. So the USA and the USSR sent their armies into Der Riese following the massacre, and there was a standoff between them. Who would get the technology? EDIT: By the way, Tactical, when I was trying to see where Kino der Toten was, I got a really specific location that you might be interested in. Kino der Toten is located 2-3 kilometers northwest of the Fernsehturm in Berlin, Germany. This is map of inner Berlin. It is a modern map with a Cold War overlay. The red dot is the Fernsehturm. The black line is the approximately 2-3 kilometer distance. The blue dot is the area where the black line crosses the Berlin Wall. That is where Kino der Toten must be. I can upon the number of 2-3 kilometers by using Google Maps. The Fernsehturm is that far away. I compared it to several images and determined the approximate distance away the Fernsehturm is from the vantage point. 2-3 kilometers. Here's an image that did NOT fit the bill. It was on another part of near-ish Berlin Wall: As you can see, this is much too far away. So it can only be in the northeast section of the circle.

I was going to prove that they died, because I found 3 Marine helmets on the ground next to blood in Nacht der Untoten, but then I played WaW and saw they were there, too, so that really doesn't help me any. Eh, they were probably German helmets anyway. They look kinda similar. I don't really see any definate evidence of the initial Marines dying instead of moving to Verruckt, so I'm not sure exactly how to argue. It just really seems to me that they died. Just the feeling, the mood, the tone. The hopelessness of it all. But I suppose it is possible, and unless it is proven one way or the other, I'll keep an open mind. What? No, here's how it happend: Group 935 is all happy and sunshine with their Nazi buddies. Bam. Verruckt is wiped off the grid. Perhaps some other places (we'll worry about that later). However, Der Riese continued to operate. In fact, they continued to operate AFTER the end of World War II, perhaps out of denial or hope to win the war still or something else altogether. Eventually, a Zombie outbreak occurs at Der Riese. The Zombie outbreak is deemed a "massacre". We know of two survivors of Der Riese: Pavel Gorki and another man who died shortly after being interrogated by the US (Intel). Sometime later, it is detailed that there was a standoff between American forces and Soviet forces. The exact time is not said, but it could be anywhere between 1946-1948. By this time, all of the Zombies would have to be gone from Der Riese in order for there to be a standoff. It is not said who won the standoff.

Rip them apart... that sounds so violent... The terminal says nothing of 115 and electricity except for the effects of the Wunderwaffe DG-2. So I'm not so sure the plane had 115 on it. Also John's death is implied. One of his limericks was found in a room with nothing but a Browning and blood. But I'm still not clear on your order. The only Americans present at Der Riese was AFTER the massacre, at the standoff with the Russians.

Tactical, so you are saying it went: Verruckt, Der Riese, Nacht der Untoten??? If not, could clearly state what is the order you are advocating so I know exactly what it is?

I know, but that tells us that he is indeed a Marine. Der Riese happens after Verruckt, as Richtofen has a Radio AFTER that time speaking of the experiments still going fine, just not fast enough for his taste. (Call of the Dead)

The massacre was the Zombie outbreak. Dempsey was definately a Marine. He mentions it all the time. He even got the Medal of Honor, which only goes to members of the military.

True. Tactical, do you agree with what I said about Verruckt/Nacht der Untoten 's order?

You have to remember that Dempsey was a war hero though. But I don't believe that theory.

Well, the Verruckt trailer really didn't have much importance storyline-wise. All it established literally was that it was in "the beginning". I don't think so though. Running into the middle of an open field where Zombies are surrounding you, while trying to hotwire a completely foreign vehicle, in the hopes that the vehicle even still works. Just sounds unlikely. Captured early? I just figure he was the only one who survived.

They sound exactly the same? The Marines on Nacht der Untoten didn't even have voices. The only time you ever hear a Marine talk was in the trailer, and those lines were mainly reused into Verruckt. Something tells me those trucks wouldn't work. *looks around at fire and explosive barrels* No. The Marines at Verruckt were Tank Dempsey, John "Banana", Smokey, and an unnamed Marine. Tactical, if the massacre at Der Riese was before Verruckt, your entire timeline is messed up. So... yeah, I don't think it was.

What? No. The US would be sending the Marine Recon Unit, which consisted of two planes. One crashed on the way. All signs point to the Marines at Nacht der Untoten dying. The trailer even shows them die. I don't think they could've traveled all the way to Verruckt. After all, they holed up in Nacht der Untoten, an abandoned fort, because they couldn't go outside with those Zombies running about. As for the Marines at Verruckt, we know three of their names, and we know they died.

Acutally, I was thinking about saying something just like that. I believe that Verruckt was after Nacht der Untoten, and I was looking through posts where Tactical and I argued this. But I thought a possible solution, like you are mentioning right there. What if it happened like this? Verruckt has a Zombie outbreak. Nacht der Untoten has a Zombie outbreak. Marines are sent to Nacht der Untoten and Verruckt. The ones at Nacht der Untoten crash land. Then the ones at Verruckt land. That way, Verruckt broke out first, yet Nacht der Untoten, in terms of the story, is still the earliest map, because the time at which the characters are there determines the actual time of the map.

Those are all problems that can be fixed. If you go to the Box and get a really good gun but just got Mule Kick, buy the nearest Wall Weapon. There are very few Box points in the entire game not near Wall Weapons. Also, you should always have the order of your weapons in mind. ALWAYS. From the get go, I always remember which weapon is my first. That way, when I get my second, and then my third, I know which is the third weapon. I always keep my order as "Power Wonder Weapon, Ray Gun, point gun". That way, when you are shooting with your AK74u, pressing one button switches you to your Thundergun. And it isn't that hard to keep track of your weapons. Just make a mental note of it. This holds true 99% of the time. The other 1% occurs when the game hiccups and jumbles the order of your weapons when you buy a new weapon, but it is pretty rare. I usually just down myself and have a buddy revive me so I can fix my order.

Why do you hate Mule Kick? What has it done to you?

Hm. Okay, I understand. Thanks anyway for all the info. :)

yes, that's true. Ummmmm... Oh yeah! Being able to kill zombies faster may help your survivability, but... SCENARIO: You've just emptied a clip of your weapon, and you get mini-swarmed. The zombies are blocking all exits and the larger horde will be upon you in seconds. You have to reload, then shoot the zombie in the head (Deadshot! ) to get out of there. Double tap won't help you then, and Speed Cola has saved my life in that scenario multiple times. This guy's good, anyone want to help me out? :cry: Well you have to hold your horses here. I believe Double-Tap Root Beer is a great Perk, just like I do with other Perks. I just like to stand up for Double-Tap because a lot of people don't. But you have to know your order of Perk importance. For me, it is: Juggernog Quick Revive (Solo) Mule Kick PhD Flopper Speed Cola Stamin-Up Double-Tap Root Beer Deadshot Daiquiri Quick Revive (Multiplayer) Also, every Perk has a moment where you could die from not having it. So your hypothetical situation is just one of many for all the Perks.

I'm not one of the people that think the V-R11 is crap. I think it is a very good weapon. That is just my list of the Total Killing Capacity. The V-R11 has many side-benefits that makes it a better weapon. Honestly, it is more a tool than a weapon. You can use it to indirectly kill Zombies through its numerous other effects, so I know the low number is underrating. The 31-79 JGb215 shoots linear. I don't mean to offend, but just try aiming better. Practice makes perfect. It is possible to get all 24 Zombies killed in one shot without missing often. Personally, I believe the Wave Gun is the best gun, even though it falls right below the 31-79 JGb215. The reason for that I say is because it has benefits the 31-79 JGb215 does not: it has two forms which gives another way to switch when you dont have time to reload, the Zap Gun form has a lot of ammunition that kills individual Zombies so you don't have to group them up and risk wasting a few kills, the Zap Guns are dual wield, it is easIER to aim, and you can pull out the Zap Guns when you are down. My ranking: Zap Gun Dual Wield 31-79 JGb215 Thundergun Wunderwaffe DG-2 V-R11 Scavenger Winter's Howl Ray Gun But hey, fourth place for the Wunderwaffe DG-2? That's not half bad.

Hey, Tom, would it be at all possible that you would attempt this again? This data is a gold mine of information, and I hate to see it sift into uncertainty. I just think having another go may help solidify your data. I'd do it myself, but I don't have the game for PC, and I don't have the money/ want to spend the money on the game plus DLCs for PC just for this.

Lol. Well I don't know. Cuba hasn't really been a major player in world politics besides that incident. If they were to have a meeting negotiating with Castro, it may have been the most recent, most important last event to reference. I guess Bay of Pigs could be another, but eh. I think the Missile Crisis is more important.

Wow! Really? Are you going to mix the drinks and make them taste how they are supposed to taste? And Juggernog is red I guess because either the reaction of the 115 made it look that way or they died it red for marketing.