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I checked last night: picked up fumigator appears up top, then i pause and unpause and it says picked up sprayer in the middle left (360). The summoning key also flashes blue when you pick it up.

In the code, i believe it is called sprayer originally, iirc. If you pause the game after picking up the Fumigator, it may say 'picked up sprayer'. Not sure if it's on all versions.

I read your other post on it, and i think you camr to the same conclusion as the rest of the community has: that it's just a cosmetic name change that you'll see if you pause at the right time. I was excited for a second, but then you sussed out why it occurred. But it was an exciting second. Ha.

Probably changed the name for cosmetic reasons, and just missed some of the instances as they were cleaning up the wording. Trip Mines may be similar; on the ground, they are Trip Mines until you upgrade them (either upgrade), then they are called Bouncing Betties. It hasn't changed in 3 months, so i guess upgraded TM's should be officially called BBs. If you look in the code: wasp and parasite are literally written side by side again and again. Are they 2 seperate things? (The community has generally accepted that they are one and the same thing). Edit: no monkey on 360.

Short version: i get AS voice cues at the Rifts with AS shots. Usually once per game or less. -------- Long version: I'm on 360. For whatever reason, the AS voice cues are very quiet now (though settings on 10). I've only ever received the greeting quote and the upgrade quotes, none of these 'ambient combat voices' that apparently are on next gen. After the recent patches, i tend to get a quote (too quiet to hear over battle, no theater mode) when i get kills by the Rifts. It can happen in Subway or on the other side. I know that you can get a quote in pap area, but this works outside to. I seem to need to have reached a certain point. A guess would be Reborn Sword on me. I know there was a thought for a while that kills were needed by the Rifts to make the pap purple. I've had no purple pap. So, I'll be about to enter the Canal Rift to Subway, I'll fire the AS by the Rift (books there) and stand there and get this quote. I've gotten it at that Rift and Footlight. I've done this for months and never used to get a quote from doing so. So I'm not sure if 'ambient' AS sayings were added to 360, or if this is a clue to the eventually repaired(?) AS quest. It's not much, but it's the only new (to me) thing I've seen since the recent patches, besides some fixes and new glitches added. (I'm loving the alternate ammo buff, and finally having attachments).

Seems a bit of a stretch... Like, sure(?), but i don't think it's intentional. Are you using the psychotropics this weekend? Ha. Look at all the pretty colors melting off of my face! :) What did you mean by 'totem'? I've never thought of anything in soe as a totem, so I'm a bit confused by the term. Needz explainy.

Please drop any of these ideas into the T-Virus thread, that's why it's there. If anything there turns into something, then we can post it as a real thread stating what's found, once folk have digested and sussed out what's what. It is odd that QR didn't work. But, glitches are the norm in zombies. :) Happy gaming!

We could spray paint that in giant letters on the walls of Treyarch's offices and they still wouldn't understand that concept. It would simply confuse them further. At least they actually brought up the quality of some of the alternate ammos. One of those rare patches in the right direction from these imbeciles. They desperately need some type of project manager for zombies.

How well did FW work on 80+? Did you get to test it? The game gets to be a chore; hunting max ammos in the fifty-rounds, so I'm just glad that it works up to that point nowadays, that's when I've usually had enough (realistically, the game usually glitches out and ends by that point on 360). I'm not going for high runs until we get the AS working properly since 10 shots doesn't cut it after a certain point. It's just not worth it.

Widow's Wine spider drop trick: when blast furnace triggers, quickly pull out a W'sW Semtex and hold it. The kills will often generate many spider drops, then put the Semtex away. You may even get too many spider drops, in which case, throw a Semtex before hitting them all to maximize effectiveness of this. (Added to W'sW post above). Tested on 360. Currently works. This is similar to the alternate ammo effect: fire your AS, as the zombies get sucked in, switch to Blast Furnace and they burst into flames. And we've all seen the Turned zombies squish into a ball if holding the AS. "Cough, feed the pap troll, cough". Play around with these for laughs and trolling friends. ------------------ Similar, you can hold a Trip Mine/Bouncing Betty in your hand with Alchemical Antithesis active. Each Trip Mine kill will give you Trip Mines, due to AA. Throw and blow, repeat. I haven't tested W'sW Semtex, but this does not seem to work with frags. Sadly, this does not work with Lil Arnie, in any manner that I've tried, either.

Interesting, thanks Ragdoll. I'll keep an eye out for that. In waw, you get x2 x2 and it's x4. I think that works on all maps.

Thanks for the Speed Cola stuff. On faux permaperks: i had one of these again the other day, I'm fairly certain the game gave me a 'drop' I already had: x2, and since it just said 'double points', it didn't say it again. No other icon appeared on my screen and it clearly wasn't carpenter as i watched the windows for that. In this instance, it must have been double double points. /just citing an example of this. No evidence of permaperks seen at all.

Hmmm. The teddy bear laugh? Samantha's, or Richtofen's? I've never heard an actual bear-laugh in game. Richthofen's would mean something glitched, like throwing Monkeys out of the map. I've only heard Sam's laugh in SoE at the Molly BB upgrades (purple version). I'm afraid to be optimistic at this point, but if this is something, it will get sussed out by the community. Fingers crossed...

The building are not checkered on 360. The AS doesn't have mixed colors on 360. The gate worms don't get mixed colors on 360.

At Unleash... Ragdoll and I have both had a few "omg, this is it!" posts on here as well that didn't pan out. You're not alone in that aspect. You learn to do more testing first, then post. I do appreciate that you are looking, that you can roll with the punches, and i love your exuberance. Welcome to the Virus Club (a.k.a. CODZ), and happy gaming!

Yeah, Dave, we're all the same page with that being the Lil Arnie visual glitch. I randomly brought up the Turned mist and that sowed confusion. My bad.

Checkered building, viral thought: that's where the Goddard Apparatus/refill tank race ends, obviously. :) ----- On turned: 360, there will be a small cloud of green mist where he first becomes turned. I know that that is not the stuff in your pictures. I was just commenting on the Turned green mist randomly.

Yes, keepers can be used for the Trip Mine upgrade and the Egg Statue kills. I just used only Keepers for the Devil-O upgrade, a day or so ago. It works, I did not notice any difference after the fact. I did not use them on the Molly's Cream Cakes Trip Mine Upgrade, yet.

At Jami and Ragdoll mixed points: "There it is in black and white" i think is the correct quote (i originally said it wrong in the Noire thread. Shrug). "There it is" + Noire mode + Mystery Junction Grapple/checkered (on xbone) building = ? The Tram has mirrored (at each end) holes at the front (rear) and one set lines up perfectly with that Ruby Rabbit window with the white 'dice' as you ride it into Canal. (Mirrored meaning that one is to the left of the center, one is to the right, otherwise they are the same hole, but at opposite end of the Tram). Maybe shoot at it through there? Green mist fountain: just to be certain there is no confusion; Turned will also leave a green mist spot about half of a zombie high, when/where you Turn a zombie. The (oft green) purple ones in your pic look like the Arnie ones, which i think only happen on xbone. (I've seen other players videos of this). Black dot lamps have black dots inside too.

Tram placement tip: Ruby Rabbit is likely the only Tram Station that you will ever run into during normal game play, after the sword symbols have been gathered. So leave the Tram there for emergency escape. -------- My thoughts: I've been watching for any strategy to Tram placement. For me, i usually build the shield by Ruby Rabbit, i usually do not open the Barriers on the walkway between Zandi's and Celeste's because they hamper training by The Fancy Grind (Unmazing method: through the arches, temporary camp strategy). So, with Zandi's being a relatively unsafe spot, and shield grabbing, and nearby training, i find myself occasionally pressed for a quick escape, especially with a Margwa on my tail, combined with the Shield Workbench zombies that instaload and attack me there as i grab a shield, i have occasionally been forced up those steps and I'm always glad the Tram is available. Almost never have i been forced into the terminals at Waterfront nor Footlight, so i recommend the Ruby Rabbit station for the Tram quick escape. Obviously your strategy may be different, for different results, but i know that most folk claim to use this workbench for the shield, barring some high round player strategies. ------- Englishifying: I never type this correctly, but technically, Footlight and Waterfront are Terminals, but Canal is technically a Station (because of the 'track' continuing out of Canal and out of the map). Stations are way-points, terminals end a line. Remember when they changed Grand Central Station to GS Terminal? That's why. It was a misnomer.

Nieno69, see the Keeper pictures in the Apothicon and Keeper language thread for clearer pictures. What Ragdoll posted above is on the Rift Doors, Chain Traps (xbone). It matches the red circle center symbol (also pictured in that thread). His picture above is kind of small and hard to see clearly. ----- Ragdoll, does that symbol also appear on the Keepers clothes? Or is my imagination reaching right now?

Ragdoll, i am glad for your optimism. I have only the sinking feeling that we got Treyarched again. If this has no upgrade and is simply Tranzit2, then basically it's this: I bought WaW, loved zombies, liked Treyarch. I bought BO... Shame on them. Shocked at Treyarch. I bought BO2... Shame on me. But their best attempt at MP ever. It was bad, but fun. I bought BO3... No excuse for this anymore. They are unscrupulous, unprofessional, and unethical. I've boycotted Treyarch until at least the AS upgrade is properly implemented. They desperately need a business ethics course. I hate seeing companies run so poorly, it goes against my very nature as a leader/manager/foreman. I just want to fix stupid and i can't...

Sounds right, but i haven't rigorously tested his antics since the update, so i won't swear to any of this. Frankly, the game is too glitchy to trust anything you see until it has been thoroughly tested. So many things happen in this game once, then don't happen again.

Does anyone know when fireworks starts to fail now? Edit: it worked in the 80s for Ragdoll. I keep dying or quitting in the mid 50s and fireworks works very well still. -------- Blast furnace still levels up guns. Currently, I would opine that before round 60: Blast furnace is best for pooling zombies (circling them into a crowd, takes out whole crowd). Fireworks is best for training zombies in conga lines, kills all zombies in visual range of the effect. Blast Furnace now sucks at this. Turned is best for camping. Thunder Wall and Dead Wire are for 'fun(?)', best used when pooling zombies. At least Dead Wire looks kind of cool... TW looks silly at best. /at least on 360.

It wasn't supposed to apparently. He was supposed to save your QR, if he revived you. Instead, the QR machine would usually disappear if he revived you. I though that he was 'buying' them for me, but it was just straight up glitched like everything else in this mess. But, after the patch, the other day he gave me a random free QR after i flopped 3 times on the same round in the 50s (so sad). I did not have any QR buys left and did not have it on me. 3 revives later, he gave me one. I guess that was to make up for all the ones that he stole. :)