MysteryMachineX

While we're at it, let's have a vote of which alternative name for "zombie" we want to use: Zombie Undead Armeeuntoten Shambler Meatsack Gutbag Guttersack Meatbag Meat-gut-bag-sacker Slackjaw Marrow-munchie zomb*tch

In this world exists absolute truths. Not relative ones. We do not need to agree on what the populace thinks is best, because the populace is often misinformed thanks to influences like youtube and the CoD Wiki. We are supposed to be above that on CoDz and have the correct info.

Regardless of what you "say", they are unfinished. Case in point: <-

Why were the user bars put up on the site even though they are unfinished? As I said earlier, I think Tac's suggestions of either Zombie Overlord or Overlord of Zombies might be better now. Seeing "Zombie God" on my profile I now think might rub people the wrong way. So we have to have an incorrect name due to presumed laziness? I'm sure Slade is perfectly capable of changing the text. I'm sure he still hasn't thrown away all the PSD files. Cosmonaut is NOT an acceptable term. If it is an acceptable term because one character incorrectly calls it a name other than what all the other characters call it, then we should change Zombie to Meat-Bag-Gut-Sacker.

The guide book referred to them as Gas Zombies. Nova 6 zombies is a fan-made name.

Some of those sound a bit pretentious. How about Zombie Overlord?

Tac, if you're going to reject the title, are you not even going to suppose a better alternative? I know of none. Rissole, Nikolai is the only sentient being who calls them cosmonauts. They're called Astronaut Zombies, or Astro-Zombies for short.

The Ancient Evil is just one of the four Announcers. And we mentioned earlier, there really isn't an official title of any sort for it. Announcer, controller, whatever. But Zombie God is a title I think that fits with their level of power, so I think it fits for an ultimate rank. Much better than becoming an announcer. Top rank on zombies being the NFL or something?

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize that.

What boom said. Or conversely vote for the ones you DON'T want set. That would work too. The way it currently is set up is purely a popularity contest. Not to mention the fact that your pole excludes a bunch. I'll say it again, Zombie God should be the ultimate reward.

I think an automatic process would be better than a manual one. I fear for a day when things go for weeks without being updated. I would prefer not to have to rely on manual input if at all possible. As for Denizen, just have two lines: Denizen of the Forest

Aw that stinks. So how about this, first we set in stone how many ranks there will be. Then we should try to all agree on which ones. If we can't have all of the bad guys, let us try to agree on which ones we do.

Urgh, well I guess we can't agree on everything. Close enough I guess. Good art, btw Slade. EDIT: Oh btw, it is Giant Robot. Not Giant.

@Boom: I disagree. If I am a H*llhound, I am a singular demonic dog. If I am Sarah, then I am an entire army of ghosts. See the difference? The difference between a bunch of dogs and a bunch of her is that the whole army is a singular character. As for Cerberus, if you get too close he bites you. He also works for the Ancient Evil and is thus… evil. As for new enemies, I would like to believe that we would update this in the future. There could be an update saying the new ranking system, no different than the new medal thread. In fact, I think it would have to be updated if you wanted to include future releases, for simply tacking them on the end would be just tacky. @PINNAZ: Order of introduction has no value to it. People want power. It is human nature. Achieving a rank of power would help people post more. Not just get to the newer thing. And for the other thing, yes. "Him" is called in-game as "Him". Therefore that name takes precedent over any other name. Code file names are not accepted, or we would call Cerberus "dream catchers" or the Wunderwaffe "tesla". You can choose to believe that the code name means something but that IS NOT his name. I don't even believe that to be honest. Avogadro. Please. Why don't we just call him 6.02214129 x 10^23? Meanwhile, Sarah has NO official name in game. None whatsoever. So what do we call her? We call her the name that we know to be true, not some conjecture word used as a name. ​She is a widow wearing widow's clothing. She lives in a mansion mourning her husband. In the mansion, there are four life-size portraits of her husband. I don't care how much a fan you are of him, four life-size colored portraits are not something a mere fan has. The mansion was a home of his, and she was his wife. This explains how the town of Buried had a power grid, due to Michael's technology. Honestly, I shouldn't even need to mention this, as it is pretty universally accepted. Even when it isn't accepted, there is no alternative claim. So we should just call her her name. @Slade: Who told you it wasn't possible? I was told that it was. And yes, Sarah did change her name after she married. It was the custom back in her era. Bernard was just her maiden name. Regardless of her opinions of it, the status quo of her name was Sarah Faraday.

As I stated in the other thread, I think the hierarchy needs an overhaul. 1 Human: Traditionally our starter for stuff like this. Human is the absolute lowest level of zombie, in that it isn't even one… yet. New members who join and do nothing will have the status equivalent to nothing. 2 Zombie: At rank 2, users now rate on the scale of the infected. A basic but necessary step in ranking up. It wouldn't be Zombies without zombies. 3 Space Monkey: More challenging than basic zombies, but they are one of the weakest "special" foes. It fits that a low rank would be a "darn dirty monkey". Monkey Zombie: Grill and I spoke and advocated the idea that at certain ranks you should be able to choose out of multiple titles. I have no idea why you just completely ignored it. Monkey Zombie is another variant of monkey and zombie, therefore it ranks alongside Space Monkey. Denizen of the Forest: Not actually a monkey, but of the same small build and ease-to-kill as the monkeys. You just have Denizen by the way. It is Denizen of the Forest. Make it fit. 4 H*llhound: A respectably decent candidate. H*llhounds are loved and hated by many, and they are a bit of a staple in the classic levels. Gas Zombie: Since they've appeared time and time again, it'd be a shame not to include this guy's evolution in a hierarchy chart. 5 Shrieker Zombie: These things can be quite deadly when you aren't prepared. Phasing Zombie: As evolutions of the Gas Zombie, it makes sense that they would be the option immediately following. Pentagon Thief: Who could ever forget this guy? Frustrating yet exciting. 6 Napalm Zombie: Naturally this would be one step up from Shrieker Zombie, as this guy was a lot more menacing and bulky. Jumping Jack: The final evolution of the Gas Zombie line, and the most threatening as well. I died so much from these guys yesterday. "Him": A unique entity that can kill, but not as easily as some of the higher ups. 7 Astro-Zombie: Here is where we get into the real deadly stuff. This guy is death of most Moon players worldwide. Breakdance! Brutus: Big guy who beats you up but only wants what is best for you. How kind. Also known as Stanley Ferguson. I suggest using the name Brutus though, as that is the name he goes by in his big form. Panzer Soldat: Another one of the big soldier bosses. He can be quite deadly too. Really though, he wouldn't be so bad if it weren't the hundreds of zombies he makes you run into. 8 Cerberus: Rank 8 is filled with only named characters. That's how high of a rank you are. The first choice, Cerberus, is a prestigious one for his mythological status. I suggest calling him Cerberus, not the Beast. They are both acceptable names, but in all honesty, Cerberus would just be so much cooler and specific. By the way, your image only shows two of his heads. Three heads is kiiinda his thing. Sarah Faraday: Can be quite threatening if you don't know what you're looking for. Tragic figure too. And her name is Sarah Faraday. Don't give me that crap "Oh but that name isn't in the game!" You know what is also NOT in the game? Ghost Lady. Ghost. Lady. Mistress. Purple Lady. Mansion Lady. Mansion Ghost. Mansion Mistress. Stop coming up with this conjecture and just put her real name. Not only is it correct, but CoDz is supposed to be a place of enlightenment with Zombies. It will look more professional for us to use her name. And then other users who see it will question it, look into it here, and then be astounded. George Romero: Similar to the other ones. Big and difficult to kill (a million health!) And you get the prestige of creating the modern zombie myth. And he isn't simply just a "director". 9 Agarthan Zombie: It converges at 9, for at 9, you are no longer just not human, you are alien. I was a little against this one at first, but then I remember that they weren't just a race of zombies but they have special and strange effects, like with the Generators. Definitely a good penultimate stage. 10 Zombie God: Don't listen to what those people said. This is the best final option you can get. Not Giant Robot. The Giant Robots ARE NOT ENEMIES AT ALL. They just walk around on autopilot. They are no more enemies than you are the enemy of an ant you happen to step on and not even notice. The Zombie Gods are the masters, leaders, and controllers of every enemy you face. THEY are the ultimate stage. We've used the term Zombie God a lot, I don't see why anyone is shocked. It is certainly a lot more theatrical than just putting "Controller". And putting Zombie God allows generality and not forcing someone's hand with Richtofen or Samantha or whatever their favorite isn't. Simply have for the image four panels of the Ancient Evil, Samantha Maxis, Edward Richtofen, and Ludvig Maxis. This option is also better than allowing people to choose which controller you are, for it'd be kinda weird to have a 10-year-old girl's face on my profile to be honest… > . > So instead you get all four, which is definitely Rank 10.

You just illustrated my point. Order is subjective, no matter what you do. For I organized it completely differently than you did.

So would that be Juggernog / Speed Cola / Double-Tap Root Beer / Quick Revive Juggernog / Speed Cola / Double-Tap Root Beer / Quick Revive Juggernog / Speed Cola / Double-Tap Root Beer / Quick Revive Juggernog / Speed Cola / Double-Tap Root Beer / Quick Revive Stamin-Up / PhD Flopper Stamin-Up / PhD Flopper Deadshot Daiquiri Mule Kick Double-Tap Root Beer II / Tombstone Soda Double-Tap Root Beer II / Tombstone Soda Who's Who Electric Cherry Vulture-Aid Elixir Does Juggernog go first? Does Quick Revive? Which is first, Stamin-Up or PhD? And the ultimate reward is... Vulture-Aid Elixir?

Weaponized 115… interesting phrase. I might use it for referring to Wonder Weapons from now on. Btw, "Weaponized 115"? More like Fake Weaponized 115. For the real one is blue, not green. And if it were blue, not green, then it'd be shooting lasers.

So I haven't been around for much of the discussion, but I still think Grill's original idea was the best. Ranking Perks is subjective and just doesn't work. Who decides which one is "best"? "Worst"? All you get is a bunch of people's subjective opinions. Using it for a ranking system won't work at all. If you use Perks and force a ranking order, most people will be displeased in some way. Most anyone who visits CoDz will look at the list and think "I believe Perk A should be higher than Perk B." I personally could argue the crap out of any list you provide, no matter what it is, even if I agreed, I could easily make the argument for the opposite position. I believe that doing it based off of enemies is a much cleaner solution. We can prove that enemy A is more difficult than enemy B, be it by health, damage, or whatever you were to decide. And if you guys insist on doing Perks, I don't know if you recall but I had made high quality renders of them in the Media Section: And tally marks… Why? I mean, I, II, and III can accomplish that. Why waste images? They're just lines. '>

I'm currently having computer issues and will get my computer back within the week, so I apologize if I'm far and few between posts at the moment, but here are my thoughts on the hierarchy

There's that, then there's also Fire Sale, QED, plus this stuff. Define legitimate. Yes, technically you can do it. But you can tell the developers did not intend that. (For if they did you'd be able to do it under normal circumstances.) That gray area is not truly 100% legitimate nor is it glitching/cheating. That gray area is referred to as an exploit, whose legitimacy is determined by the perceiver.

If you click the link in my signature and go to 3:26:40, you'll see that Richtofen actually calls it an Endgame. The populace got it right for once. All of this though that we are speaking of is considered an exploit. Just because it isn't fixed doesn't make it right. If a glitch is never fixed, it is probably so wired into the game, so to speak, that it isn't worth the cost of fixing it. And by cost I mean time. In my opinion, the exploit is so minor, that if you are lucky enough to receive two Ray Guns at the same time, I say who cares. Now two infinite-damage wonder weapons is another story...

This is possible in nearly all the maps ever released. It is possible to get two Ray Guns, two Thunderguns, two Death Machines, two Ballistic Knives, pretty much everything. Scenario is that you cannot get weapon x because weapon x is already taken. However, if weapon x is temporarily taken off the market, weapon x is available for a very short period. Also, weapon x can be pulled as two instances simultaneously. Therefore, I can get a Ray Gun, do something (like Pack-A-Punch) to temporarily lose my Ray Gun, go to the Box and get the Ray Gun Mark II, and then pick up the Ray Gun again. Or, I can just use two Boxes simultaneously through the use of a Fire Sale and have one give me a Ray Gun and another a Ray Gun Mark II. It is incredibly unlikely in any scenario. So the only maps that are impossible to do it on are Nacht der Untoten, Verruckt, Shi No Numa, Der Riese, and Green Run, for they lack Fire Sales. The easiest way to do it is to do it during Richtofen's Endgame, for permanent Fire Sales meaning that trying the Box willy-nilly as you survive means that probability will eventually favor you.

He also has a quote saying "Mother says not to touch myself" [or something similar] "but I don't always do what mother likes." I do find it interesting the idea that his eventual despise of children may have stemmed from his mother forbidding him from childish things. Might've also affected his homosexuality. Anyhow, it seems obvious Richtofen was the rebellious type. But I would also like to note that according to my theory that the Black Ops crew is a copy of the Origins crew, Richtofen's mother could be as fictional as Nikolai's wives, Tank's kid, and Takeo's family.