Steelie

If you keep looking and look well you can see them all starting to swim.

Maybe there will still be something, the release date is still about 3 weeks away so there's still plenty of time for them to upload one.

I've played Kino der Toten to death, seen playthroughs/streams of other maps, heard radios, read and listen to dialogues and did research.

I know they're going after all of the original 4 and that they're going to kill them, and on which versions are better my opinion is pretty mixed. I like Origins Richtofen a lot more than the original, but I do like original Nikolai more than his Origins counterpart. I love both versions of the Dempsey's and to be honest I don't care much about Takeo...

Oh man, I hate the Nova crawlers.... Though it would be pretty nostalgic to see them again.

That might very well be, and I noticed as well that they all now seem to think the Summoning Key is important. It's nice to see them working together and becoming more close. What if there's gonna be zombie spiders instead of Hellhounds this map? The description does mention that the island was used to "create horrors beyond belief"...

There seems to be a lot more comradery between the four than before. Not that they seem like really close friends now, but they're definitely more close than they were before.

For anyone who didn't know and wants to watch the opening cutscene again, the CoD YouTube channel uploaded it!

I'm really excited for it! But what I didn't get was why Takeo didn't speak Japanese in it. But for the rest of it I thought it was amazing!

I want to but I don't have it yet, I'll have it eventually, heheheh. On the O4 dying part, I'm the same at Stop Mocking Me0, I'd love it for them to have a really big bossbattle at the end or something. I just hope it won't be anticlimactic :/

Aaaaaaah, I see. Sorry I've never played Moon.

Oath? What oath?

Happy birthday Lenne!!! And that image is so cool! I'm curious to see what happened to get the O4 in this mess.

That is also a really interesting theory, and it would indeed be weird for the O4 to be Vril-Ya and then have no memory of it. But they still might be descendants, and maybe Origins Richtofen knows it. That could explain why he knows so much, and his quote of "I have seen many things, things you couldn't even imagine." (hope I quoted that right from the top of my head).

That could very well be true! And maybe it could be that the Vril-Ya thought they would be in danger from the humans and felt threatened, and that that the reason is they decided to destroy the Earth? I mean humans have entered the Crazy Place already, and it'd only be a matter of time for them to find a way into Agartha then as well. I can imagine the Vril-Ya wouldn't be so happy with a bunch of greedy humans invading their home. But I believe that there's also something of Origins? I believe it was something like the main four appearing in front of the people from the excavation site in Origins, warning them to stop digging or something or bad things would happen: http://prntscr.com/am2wmo This is a picture of what I'm talking about. What if the main four are actually (or least descendants of) the Vril-Ya? And they warned the humans because they expected them not to listen, setting their plans in motion?

Indeed! It would be weird to make something and then not to use it. Maybe they're planning something really, really big.

If it actually is them controlling the zombies that'd be so cool! And it also gives something to think about, like why would the Vril-Ya want control of the zombies? Maybe to guard the Crazy Place, making sure no one got in?

That's true, somewhere I hope there is something behind the blue-eyed zombies. What if it's the Vril-Ya? It may seem far-fetched, but what if they were the first to successfully control the zombies?

Wasn't that the default color? Like when noone in particular is in control?

Ooooooooooooh my god that's amazing, I'm exited! Do you get it when you have the Season Pass, though?

That third power does exist, the Ancient Evil. It was in control during Mob of the Dead, but when the zombies are under their control they have red eyes.

It's a really nice theory, but the only thing I have with it is that I think the song is about Dempsey, not Samantha. Seeing how the the map and the whole story revolves around him at this point, it only made sense to me. And that can explain the plural thing as well which you were talking about: the "You lead and I'll follow, my tree of life is hollow" is Dempsey to Richtofen, because Richtofen is the only person he knows who knows how to stop the total apocalypse. And since he has nothing to lose, his tree of life being hollow, he follows Richtofen. At the end of the song it would be Dempsey, Nikolai and Takeo to Richtofen, and Dempsey having noticed him, Nikolai and Takeo are pretty much in the same boat. Furthermore there's the "I feel so strange, like I'm everywhere, like noone was there.", which I believe to be from Dempsey 1.0's point of view about everything. My believe is that he's in some sort of coma inside the machine, so that means he would know what's happening around him. And I think the lyric then pretty much speaks for itself, he's everywhere in a way through Origins Dempsey, and after all of this is over all of the main four go their own separate ways. All four of them are alone together (like noone was there). Then "We only want to live forever. Repeat serial suicide, I can't find you and hide." Of course noone truly wants to die, even if they say they would, if they come into an actual life or death situation they'll do everything in their power to not die(not always, but most of the time. And I don't see Dempsey being severely depressed). The repeat serial suicide is of course the main four going after their older selves and killing them off. "I can't find you and hide" seems to me to be the part where Dempsey is exited to meet his older self. Next are these: "Am I dead? Is it all over? There is no pain here." I believe this to be from Dempsey 1.0's standpoint again, when his soul is put into the Keystone by Richtofen. I believe this is the point he realizes he's finally really dead, (because he tended to break the fourth wall a lot as the only one of the four, and thus seemed to know it's a game) and his constant fighting is finally over. The same goes for "Where is my pain now?". I have nothing on the second verse, because I frankly don't understand where it came from. Maybe it has to do with the Death Ray ("A creeping shadow spire will bleed into the sky"), but I have no idea. This lyric really sold me on my theory that the song is about Dempsey: "I hear my name, in a voice like mine that I hear in my mind. The time has come to leave forever. I peel the fabric back and see me hide. I can't hide from I and hide from me." His name in a voice like his, I of course put that to the "It's good to see ya, Tank." Makes sense, right? Plus the fact that everyone thinks in their own voice and hears themselves when they talk, that being where the 'like' in the lyric comes from. As for peeling the fabric back and the hiding part, my thinking was that it stands for all the interdimensional travel the Origins four have done. I think it also means that they're tracking themselves down, that they're hunting themselves. You can't run away from yourself, kids. "In my head it draws me closer, will it know my name?": I believe this to be Dempsey 1.0 wondering to himself while being put into the Keystone. "I see it again and again in mind, I see it when I look at the sky and I am alive again. I'm alive, I feel the pain now. I'm really here. I'm alive now, I'm alive now. I'm alive, now I die again." I see this being when Origins Dempsey looks upwards during the end cutscene, and realizing he himself is alive, even though his older counterpart is dead. And he of course realizes how heavy it is to have to kill yourself, even if you stay alive to become the older version. I hope all of this made a little bit of sense, and I really enjoyed reading through your speculations!

I myself thought that Samantha was in control because her and Maxis were teleported away in The Giant, and as we all know Samantha ran in a panic to the MPD and got trapped in it, and then toook control of the zombies. I was thinking that all of that happened in between The Giant and Der Eisendrache, and that Samantha is in control and Groph knows she's locked in the MPD. But reading all these theories has me doubting myself.

My first thought was that it moves just like a satellite does. It could also be Dempsey's rocket I guess, but wouldn't the movement then be really weird for a rocket heading to a spacestation? Unless the rocket is just flying around on the map (I actually don't know if it is), in that case I think it being the rocket is the most plausible explanation.

Hello everyone, it's nice to be here. I came here to meet other people who love zombies just as much as I do! I love the "main" four especially, and I'm really glad they're all coming back! So if you want to talk or gush about zombies and the story and the characters and everything please don't hesitate to do so!