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Notice the straps to the Overalls, and the long lanky arm. When I first saw this, children playing a game and telling us a story, while including different aspects from their own dimension, was the first thing that came to mind.

So I definitely think the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade" should be accessible now. The reason being is in the Patch Notes, when pertaining to Shadows it simply says something about, "an Easter Egg being fixed". Now the difference is when pertaining to Der Eisendrache, it specifically states, "fixed an issue around the Main Easter Egg". ________ So a specific "Easter Egg" within Shadows has been fixed, but nothing is ever said about the "Main Easter Egg". This leads me to believe, Treyarch has finally fixed whatever problem there was involved with not being able to achieve this. I have a Theory the reason we could "Glitch the Margwa" was in fact due to the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade Quest" being broken. Since you had to build it before placing the Final Gateworm and opening PaP, it makes sense this is the case. See in the Patch Notes it was also stated that "an error was resolved for a player to begin an Easter Egg when obtaining a Specific Gun". In the case of glitching the Margwa, you had to obtain a specific gun, before placing the Final gateworm, leading to the Margwa no longer spawning, and the Shadow Man getting stuck. _______ Also remember we have the "Noire Easter Egg" this is where we get the Black & White filter on the Screen. Well we've never been able to find the end to this specific Easter Egg, when in the coding it's clear theirs definitely a way to end or complete it. I really think this may actually be how we obtain a "Cocoon". As the player the Map changes and is in Black & White, but once we Transform into the "Beast" the Map changes and turns to Color. This reminds me a lot of MotD, where we would go into afterlife and could see the Crystal Skulls, but once we turned back into the player we could no longer see them. We just knew of the location where we could throw the Tomahawk. This Easter Egg also led to the "Hidden Blundergat" in the Wardens Office. So maybe Once in this "Noire Mode" when we Transform into the "Beast" we can find the "Cocoon" and possibly Grapple it. Which is basically the same thing as throwing the Tomahawk to obtain the Crystal Skulls in MotD. ________ Food for thought nonetheless! *The "Cocoons" not Spawning in, possibly to do with the "Noire Mode" being there's a way to end it, but we've yet to figure it out. *This is what I was talking about, when building the "Apothicon Servant" before placing the Gateworms, as that's rare and not a lot of people are going to do this outside of Solo. *This probably pertains to the Gateworm not Spawning. Since it states "Shadows of Evil Easter Egg" *Notice the difference where it says Main Easter Egg when talking about the Main Quest.

Yea I've thought about that, although I'm leaning more towards "Collecting" them. As you run through them they disappear, you can also use the "Beast" to do this, as well as the Civil Protector makes them disappear.

I thought you only needed to Upgrade the # of Bows pertaining to the # of players within the game. In-other words if I'm playing Solo I only need to Upgrade 1 Bow to complete the Quest.

So apparently, during the Main Quest, your only required to Upgrade the # of Bows, pertaining to the # of players in that specific game. For instance, if I were playing a solo game, and wanted to obtain the "Spirit Bow", once I finally acquired it, I would no longer need to Upgrade the other Bows, in order to complete the Main Quest, as I'm the only player in the game. Full credit of this goes to Starrburrst as he's the founder. If your not exactly sure as to what I'm trying to say, here's a video with Starrburrst going into further detail.

Yea I know, this is the T-Virus Thread so everything we say is about as far fetched as you can get, so don't take anything from here as being actual fact. Now with that being said, I do think it may end up being something crazy, if not as crazy, as what I posted. More than likely not, but you never know. I will say I've been saying for a while now, that I do believe this is the First time where you can actually "Fail", or progress to far, where the Upgrade can no longer be achieved.

Hell yea it's doable in Co-Op, as only one person has to achieve this, which in return leads to building the second form. But seriously I don't know, whatever the steps may be, they're not going to be easy, not by a long shot. We are talking about the greatest, Wunder Weapon in all of Zombies (my opinion of course). Even still you've got to admit it's definitely by far the most Over-Powered of them all, so it's definitely worth it. I see a majority of players using this on Solo or 2 player Co-Op, so they can both have one. I'm more interested in the Second Form as of now, is it the exact same, or does it have a new effect. Given the names are combined with another word, I would imagine the effect is different from the Original.

@83457 __________ I've gotta take a picture of my notes, as I had just written the same thing out a few days ago. Upgrading Lil' Arnies, Hollys-Cream-Cakes, however I didn't factor in the Shield, and I think it's a safe bet to say this is the case. The reason I say do Hollys, is because I feel as if we are actually destroying those particular carts. In return this would leave us with the Devil-O-Doughnut carts. Also once you finish the Hollys, if you look it explodes (lol) in a similar color to the Arnies once upgraded, and the "Apothicon Servant". __________ The final thing I would add is I believe all of these should be completed before activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone" & opening PaP. This would result in the "Transferal of Energy", or the Blue Beams coming from the Gateworms, being there are 4 beams, I would place one gateworm with each upgrade completed. So as soon as you finish with Lil' Arnie, place your first Gateworm. Then proceed to the next upgrade. Finally you would end with building the "Apothicon Servant" acquiring the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote, placing your final Gateworm, and activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone". Thus Transferring all this "Energy" into the PaP and hopefully, resulting in a "Cocoon" spawining in somewhere once the Map changes over to "Red"/"Keepers" color. ___________ Imagine if this crazy ass shit actually worked, you wanna talk about Mind-Fuckery, GG Treyarch!

Gotcha, he just looks really weird in that image. He looks like he stuck his finger, I mean tentacle, in an electrical socket.

I'm just curious, I known this is on last gen, but how come he's not holding the "Summoning Key". It almost looks as if it's not even in his hand. Being that the "Apothicon Servant" upgrade was supposedly patched in recently, I feel as if it's during this phase of the Main Quest, where one can obtain the "Cocoon". There are so many different things going on during this, that I feel like no-one really takes the time to explore. Everyone just charges the "Totem" and immediately summons the "Keepers". Yet none of this explains why the "Purple Apothicon Symbols" appear. Sure to hurt you, but I call bullshit, no way that's the only reason. Has anyone checked since the update to see if that one in the Footlight District is no longer under the car.

@Korima I believe Mictlantecuhtli is the reference your thinking of.

Can the shield be upgraded on Der Eisendrache. Seems like it could be, since were using the exact same shield and they brought the Mega Gobble Gum Easter Egg over from Shadows.

The only problem I have with this, why on Shadows, if you activate the PaP Ritual on a Parasite/Elemental Round, the Parasites/Elementals will actually stop attacking you and begin attacking and killing the "Keepers". This is the very reason I feel as if they are Two different "Races" if you will.

Haha. Imagine that, plant roots. I've got too find the post I made where I talked about this exact same thing.

@Tac I personally feel the "Keepers" are "Good" or the "Lesser of Two Evils. As I've always thought, beginning with seeing them in Origins. They've always tried to prevent us from completing whatever objective it was pertaining to that specific map. I also had the theory, while playing Origins on Solo, when they spawn to destroy the 115 Generators, only 4 spawn in. This often led me to believe that those 4 "Keepers"/"Templar" Zombies were in fact the O4/Primis. Trying to prevent us from further assisting in Maxxis plan. I'm sure all of that is nonsense, but at the time it seemed legit to me. I only asked that because I didn't want to say the "Keeper" was trying to help us, but somewhere along the way Dr. Groph corrupted him, leading to the final battle in Der Eisendrache, as I won't be able to play the map for another month.

@Rissole25 Yea speaking of which, whatever happened to the Razorback. I thought that was showcased in the reveal trailer.

I'm not sure, if the Cipher pertains to Der Eisendrache as I'm on XBone. I've always been curious myself as to why the moon phases in and out after a dog round.

I'm not sure if this would actually do anything different, being I don't have the map yet (XBone), I'm unable to test it myself. What would happen during the Ending of the Main Quest for Der Eisendrache, if you changed the Death Ray from Destroy back to Protect before you placed the Summoning Key.

It would probably be best suited in the Shadows of Evil thread under Apothicon/Keeper language revealed. I am currently unable to do so, as I'm on XBone. If you could it would be very much appreciated. This is the Thread.

Do the Scarabs go through any kind of Metamorphosis, or Meiosis. I've had a Theory for a long time dealing with exactly that. It would make sense as well being we've got the Embryo, the Larvae, the immature adult. Then an Ovum possibly to start the Re-Birth of the Mature Adult. I know that's probably a long shot, but seems legit to me. ;)

Can we get the symbols that correlate to the respective word, I feel as if that will help us in deciphering the Apothicon/Keeper language.

Don't know how to make it any more clear! Credit goes to Roni7King for the video.

Welcome to the forums. I can't be 100% certain but I'm pretty sure they are as follows. Crown Door Heart Horn Griffin Stag