NaBrZHunter

Very interesting indeed.

Have to ask though, anything about cold cell technology?
I heard that somewhere that the Ray Gun uses cold cell ammunition.

Feel free to bullshit me on that but it interests me.

Another thing, why exactly does the Vunder Vaffe jump to other zombies(I am aware of the "jumps" lightning strikes take as well)?
 

I feel so newby right now, I've been letting myself go, plus my coffee is horrible.

I feel as if they do in fact take place in the same timeline, they just simply happen before Samantha is in control, as stated above. And the controller/announcer is the "greater evil" Samantha spoke of during Moon. What's interesting is how the radio from MotD indicates the inmates just disappeared and there was no sign of any kind of zombie attack leading to the idea that many of these events take place in some sort of pocket of time, maybe not necessarily in an alternate dimension or reality, that still exists outside of the normal one somehow.

This is most strongly supported by Der Riese, and the fact that the clock kept resetting every 15 seconds (I believe that was the span of time, I don't exactly remember). This is also showed off significantly in the trailer for The Giant. Another interesting observation is the fact that the Origins crew doesn't show up until after the clock freezes/resets. This tells me that they didn't actually time travel but rather were simply transported to this particular pocket of time. Given how time does not function the same in the Aether with the controller being able to view several different points of time at once, Samantha (or whomever) simply moved them from the Crazy place in Origins to this bubble, which could have existed parallel to it like a parallel dimension.

Just thinking about this makes my brain hurt. 

Brains to you. I hope your head feels better because it just cranked out a good ol' fashioned, reinforced Zombies universe theory. Congrats. Very well put.

P.S. the time is between 19.7-20 seconds. I have more coming on that in the future. 

P.S.S. Holy toledo...our pocket in time theory veritably answers the question of how there were two Richtofens in the same room at once. I'll discuss that further in the 20-Second Discourse, and will make sure to acknowledge your work!

 

You can have 100 Richtofens in a room at once. There would be a problem if the older version killed his past self, but two Richtofens in the same room is nothing really.

To satisfy the grandfather paradox, yes. I was referring to the Principal of Mass Conversion-matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

 

What is that? I couldn't find anything when I just searched for it.

I feel as if they do in fact take place in the same timeline, they just simply happen before Samantha is in control, as stated above. And the controller/announcer is the "greater evil" Samantha spoke of during Moon. What's interesting is how the radio from MotD indicates the inmates just disappeared and there was no sign of any kind of zombie attack leading to the idea that many of these events take place in some sort of pocket of time, maybe not necessarily in an alternate dimension or reality, that still exists outside of the normal one somehow.

This is most strongly supported by Der Riese, and the fact that the clock kept resetting every 15 seconds (I believe that was the span of time, I don't exactly remember). This is also showed off significantly in the trailer for The Giant. Another interesting observation is the fact that the Origins crew doesn't show up until after the clock freezes/resets. This tells me that they didn't actually time travel but rather were simply transported to this particular pocket of time. Given how time does not function the same in the Aether with the controller being able to view several different points of time at once, Samantha (or whomever) simply moved them from the Crazy place in Origins to this bubble, which could have existed parallel to it like a parallel dimension.

Just thinking about this makes my brain hurt. 

Brains to you. I hope your head feels better because it just cranked out a good ol' fashioned, reinforced Zombies universe theory. Congrats. Very well put.

P.S. the time is between 19.7-20 seconds. I have more coming on that in the future. 

P.S.S. Holy toledo...our pocket in time theory veritably answers the question of how there were two Richtofens in the same room at once. I'll discuss that further in the 20-Second Discourse, and will make sure to acknowledge your work!

 

You can have 100 Richtofens in a room at once. There would be a problem if the older version killed his past self, but two Richtofens in the same room is nothing really.

I feel as if they do in fact take place in the same timeline, they just simply happen before Samantha is in control, as stated above. And the controller/announcer is the "greater evil" Samantha spoke of during Moon. What's interesting is how the radio from MotD indicates the inmates just disappeared and there was no sign of any kind of zombie attack leading to the idea that many of these events take place in some sort of pocket of time, maybe not necessarily in an alternate dimension or reality, that still exists outside of the normal one somehow.

This is most strongly supported by Der Riese, and the fact that the clock kept resetting every 15 seconds (I believe that was the span of time, I don't exactly remember). This is also showed off significantly in the trailer for The Giant. Another interesting observation is the fact that the Origins crew doesn't show up until after the clock freezes/resets. This tells me that they didn't actually time travel but rather were simply transported to this particular pocket of time. Given how time does not function the same in the Aether with the controller being able to view several different points of time at once, Samantha (or whomever) simply moved them from the Crazy place in Origins to this bubble, which could have existed parallel to it like a parallel dimension.

Just thinking about this makes my brain hurt. 

Did anyone figure out what the Origins one was? Campbell? Jessica? Three Face? To be honest they could be linked to something but I always thought the conditions you do the jumpscare in mattered, thats why I think its Maxis not Nero. I don't know what a church has to do with though but all I know is that the Origins one has a moon in its eye so it could mean something.

? It was a girl's face but with skeletal features, as if undead.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140423064639/callofduty/images/8/89/Jump_Scare_Zombies_texture_BOII.png

I can definitely see the Moon in its eye, though; the dark part being space and the bottom being part of Griffin Station.

Not many women it can be: Samantha, Sophia, Misty, Jessica, Sarah Michelle Gellar? I would bet on the first two mostly out of anyone, unless both jumpscares really have no relevance whatsoever. 

 

DISCLAIMER: As a a stickler for canon accuracy and a fan of the story masterminded by the team at Treyarch, I do not presume to know for sure the processes and fictional (or real) science behind the concepts presented at any point in the CoD Zombies storyline outside of what has been expressly released to the community. My intention is for my own sake and for all others who are interested in exploring the possibility of a semi-realistic explanation for many of the incredible things we have encountered over the last 6 years, and doing so based as solidly as possible upon what we know to be absolutely true about CoDZ, while remaining open to debate on such content as is not, so as to avoid misleading anyone who invests the time in reading my works.

That being said, here's to you, Treyarch! Hope my speculation does due honor to y'all's ingenuity!

-NaBrZHunter

PLEASE NOTE: CERTAIN CONCEPTS PRESENTED IN THIS THESIS ARE KNOWN TO CONTRADICT THE IN-GAME USE OF COLD CELL BATTERIES IN THE RAY GUN. THE SUBJECT IS BEING RESEARCHED TO FIND AN EXPLANATION THAT DOES NOT CONTRADICT ZOMBIES CANON.

Lately, in preparation for the launch of Der Bunker, I have been studying and indexing all the significant statements made by all characters across all the zombies maps to date to build up a canon 'repository,' and it was during one of these sessions that Nikolai mentions the Ray Gun being a "hot plasma" weapon. 

Although I am a dedicated realist as regards the Zombies universe, I have never given the Ray Gun and how it works much thought until today; so over the course of this disquisition I'll be exploring a process that could explain in detail how the ray gun (wunderwaffe DG-1) worked. 

A few things to keep in mind as we go:

***DER RIESE *SERVANT* SAMPLE A00359***

What follows is the chronological primary sample from the Der Riese project “Datenbediensteter” (translated: DATA SERVANT). Sample was acquired from CIA asset based out of Vozrozhdeniya in the Soviet Union and is translated from its original German Below:

***SERVANT ENTRY A00359***

Ray Gun summary:

Prototype developed by

Doctor Ludvig Maxis,

Origin: Der Riese facility

Based on designs seized from

Rising Sun facility at SNN.

Powered by Element 115, Ray Gun works on microwave technology and discharges a burst of green plasma energy between 220 and 230V.

***DER RIESE *SERVANT* SAMPLE A00115***

***SERVANT ENTRY A00115***

Element 115 overview:

Sources include meteors found in Shi No Numa, Tunguska, Groom Lake, Der Riese, and the Moon (Confirmed via Astronomical team)

Applications include: Transporter technology, power source for DG-2, General weapon upgrades.

Side effects include: Reanimation of dead cells, via inherent electrical properties.

First of all, I want to point out that 115 (Unumpentium, chemical symbol Uup) is, as we all know, is a fundamental part of what powers a ray gun, which some have assumed is what makes up the rings/rays; however I intend to debunk that theory in the following few paragraphs. So without further ado...

Most of us learned that there are three states of matter: GAS, LIQUID, & SOLID; however, PLASMA has been placed somewhere beside/between gas and liquid, by which I mean it is capable of having a form and volume seemingly closer to a liquid, while having a more gaseous trait in that it can be created by heating gas, while liquid is the opposite.

Plasma is created in one of two circumstances: extreme heat or a powerful electromagnetic field created by a microwave generator, either process resulting in an increase or decrease in the number of electrons in the subjected element, causing the creation of ions which increases the element's electrical conductivity, a property that is fundamental to the process of creating a 115-powered weapon. However, just as importantly, we must create the proper conditions. 

In order to retain form and volume, plasma must be contained/under pressure in addition to being subject to the aforementioned conditions throughout its lifespan or else it will eventually return to a gaseous state, which brings into consideration a number of factors which I will discuss in order:

1. The Catalyst
2. The Subjected Element
3. Open Air Exposure

The Catalyst

Straight up 115. This we know from the Der Riese Datenbediensteter, "powered by Element 115, Ray Gun works on microwave technology and discharges a burst of green plasma energy between 220 and 230V." Later, in the Element 115 overview, we find that the Element's, "side effects include: reanimation of dead cells, via inherent electrical properties."

Element 115 is the electromagnetic catalyst and "fuel," if I may, that is used to convert a gas to plasma, which is made of an element contained within the cartridge which is loaded in the break-open front/body of the gun, while the 115 can be seen through the transparent cover that surrounds the cartridge, presumably to allow the user to determine certain visible indications of its state.

The Subjected Element

Once again, I quote the Ray Gun Overview from the Datenbediensteter, where it indicates that the weapon "discharges a burst of green plasma energy."

First of all, while Element 115 has indeed been shown to have a solid state and a liquid state, the odds of reaching a gaseous state, much less a plasma state have yet to be determined. Lots of evidence points to it being kinetically effective, again, "side effects include: reanimation of dead cells, via inherent electrical properties," which would seem to indicate that those exposed to it suffer contamination from airborne particles as well as visible solids having electromagnetic radiation strong enough to reanimate dead cells in corpses and cause dementia in the living even when not deliberately injected, but not from off-gassing.

Secondly, it would be far more economical for Richtofen to use a noble gas, native to our atmosphere; in this case it would appear he used Xenon, based on the color of the rings themselves and which, although not necessarily plentiful, still exists within our atmosphere, whereas 115 does not. Additionally, ionization is far more easily achieved with an element that is already gaseous at a normal temperature as opposed to an element that is clearly very dense, as is the case with 115, capable of withstanding entry into the atmosphere and impact with earth with minimal effect on its elemental and physical integrity.

Taking all things into consideration, it is also worth noting that discharging actual 115 from a weapon is not only extremely dangerous, capable of quickly converting a relatively large area into a radioactive bio hazard, but to dispense of it as ammunition would also be highly wasteful, especially considering how the amount of 115 necessary to power the wonder weapons and teleporters was significant enough to nearly deplete the supply.

So with that in mind, it stands to reason that the bursts of plasma from the ray gun are simply a noble gas, which, as I speculated, could be Xenon (Xe/54), as, according to Encyclopedia Britannica, the electrically charged gaseous form of Xenon can appear blue or green, not to mention that it had been discovered in 1898 and was therefore known at the time, and is actually still used today in Deep Space satellites' "ionic thrusters."

Essentially, then, a cartridge of compressed Xe, containing a single activation (Plasma Conversion) electrode inside and at the back end would be loaded into the central cylinder until it made contact with the coil at the rear of the cylinder. The cylinder would then be closed, completing a circuit, activating the Uup circulation coils (the first "zip" that is heard), and finally, once the 115 has reached operating momentum, a current is sent to the Plasma Conversion Electrode Coil, which zaps the Xe inside the cartridge, completing the ionization process and creating a ball of plasma. 

Haha! I very much appreciate this, coming from you, especially as we often (not always, but often) go head-to-head on theories. Glad we found a common ground! Thank you!

Oooooh...and that's a good point...or heck, maybe a 935 cleanup crew came in an effectively removed the evidence. They are, after all, sworn to secrecy. 

 

Yeah and also another thing I thought of was the 115 Extraction Drill, looks like it decimates the ground beneath it and theres a note in Origins with a picture on it. So they could've used that.

Yet again, another amazing point. Your completely right about everything. Like there is nothing you have said that I can say would be wrong or I don't even slightly agree with. Anyways about destroying evidence of Origins. Maybe thats what happens, it would make sense to be honest since its such a big place that is never talked about. Maybe because of the large amount of 115 or just paradoxes or anything really it slips out of time completely after the event of Origins. 

I honestly think that because of some sort of intervention, Origins is in a parallel universe or something like a pocket one. Basically whats going on outside of Origins is not effected by whats happening in the map hence why when the O4 are travelling to Origins in the letters from the field, they only mention rumours of mechanical men etc. Thats what I always believed anyways, it would just go down in history as a crazy rumour that soldiers told, giant metal men and things powered by a mysterious element. The only people who survived and would know about this would be the O4 who even then had their minds wiped, I even believe Richtofen must have at a point or at least keeps everything about Origins secret.

That would make sense since its the third Black Ops. I would like to see someone do a theory on this where they tie maps into the treyarch logo, not sayings its a definite thing but you never know with 3arch.

Frankly, as much as I hate for any diehards to have missed this, I'm hoping they can stick to it being truly limited. That was one of the biggest things that made it worth the money. Sure, you could price list, but regardless, $200 is a hunk for a game and a refrigerator you don't *need*, when you're financially challenged like I was. 

I disagree; you're spending $60 on the game alone, and then another $60 for all the DLCs (or $50 if you nab the Season Pass). That's rough;y $110-$120 for those things, meaning the remaining $80 or $90 is with all the collectibles. I don't know about you, but a mini-fridge alone is generally $80 anyways so having a special one that is customized for us Zombies lovers is a damn good deal.

If you can't afford it (not you specifically, just generalized), then that's not their problem. Because there will always be someone to take that offer immediately and get a pretty good ROI down the line. Of course, I agree that it should be very limited...but at least in spurts, y'know? Hope they make another drop next month. I know my wallet it ready.

Absolutely. I was kinda theorizing "out loud," but just emphasizing that it may not be a loop in the exact same sense as MotD, which seems to be on the exact same cyclical route each time until the specific resolution is found. The original story may be on a loop like the Treyarch emblem. Looping, but taking a different route after each loop. Which...damn...that wouldn't be unlike them, now wouldn't it? Heck, the Treyarch emblem has shown up deliberately in association with time loops, namely, Shangri-La, which, as I had theorized, makes a loopy pattern instead of a perfect cycle.

 

The Treyarch logo, you know what you might be right thats an interesting way of looking at the loop actually. Really good observation.

Alright so here's something I picked up on in The Giant trailer that I, so far, haven't seen anybody point out. Immediately after Origins Richtofen exits the teleporter and shoots nazi Richtofen in the face, Dempsey exclaims "Dammit Richtofen, I thought we were done with this!". This quote leads me to believe that, within our origins universe, there is an endless cycle happening similar to that of its parallel universes.

Further evidence to back this up includes the fact that Nikolai, Tank and Takeo all know nazi Richtofen's scheme at Der Riese, while nazi Richtofen has no idea who our O3 characters are. This could suggest that our O4 (Origins Richtofen included) have lived through this scenario multiple times; they have seen nazi Richtofen and what he does, and so they've come back to change it. Now we tie Tank's previous quote into this:

If our O4 have lived through this scenario multiple times, they will have conversed afterward and devised a plan prior to returning to Der Riese (which are ultimately nullified due to element 115's properties of memory loss). For reasoning I'm not sure of (maybe the community can help here), the O4 need to keep nazi Richtofen alive to prevent the cataclysm directly caused by him at the end of Buried. However, in keeping nazi Richtofen alive, it is possible that Origins Richtofen is destined to become that, if we follow the quantum theory that time is like a river. Every time our O4 enter Der Riese, Origins Richtofen refuses to become what he is destined to be, and so kills his future self. This sets off a chain of events which causes an endless cycle, similar to that exhibited in MotD, and ends in Mined Games easter egg in Buried. Since Tank seems to be impervious to the effects of Divinium diminishing memory capabilities, he retains the experiences of living through Der Riese, while the others don't.

I dunno, it seems a little messy and I don't know if this is already basically canon, but maybe it could do with some refining. I guess lemme know what you think, it seems pretty legit to me.

 

Canon is not safe word to use unless you have something that has been straight up proven. This is not canon, therefore. Canon is absolutely indisputable.

As far as my opinion is concerned, I don't yet see this as being cyclical. There is no indication that this has happened before, but rather, a re-definition of precious events. I would say that a difference between cycle and loop is arguable. A loop doesn't HAVE to go in the same direction. A cycle follows the same path. A loop can curl back to a previous point and end up intersecting, but heading in a different direction.

 

The story itself is in a time loop. Maxis makes a quote about it in Origins and its been long since theorised. It also explains things like Die Rise's intro. A time loop goes round and round so even if time changes like in the Giant, if they fail to break the loop they will end up back at Origins and go back down the normal story unless things change again. It can happen differently each time as well, pretty good excuse for why all games are different if you ask me. Anyways Mob of the Dead, aside from being a nice map with an intriguing story was also to portray a much simpler version of the time loop so that when they got to Origins they could explain that Origins is the start and we are there not because it is the start but because its where the time loop may or may not start.

Alright so here's something I picked up on in The Giant trailer that I, so far, haven't seen anybody point out. Immediately after Origins Richtofen exits the teleporter and shoots nazi Richtofen in the face, Dempsey exclaims "Dammit Richtofen, I thought we were done with this!". This quote leads me to believe that, within our origins universe, there is an endless cycle happening similar to that of its parallel universes.

Further evidence to back this up includes the fact that Nikolai, Tank and Takeo all know nazi Richtofen's scheme at Der Riese, while nazi Richtofen has no idea who our O3 characters are. This could suggest that our O4 (Origins Richtofen included) have lived through this scenario multiple times; they have seen nazi Richtofen and what he does, and so they've come back to change it. Now we tie Tank's previous quote into this:

If our O4 have lived through this scenario multiple times, they will have conversed afterward and devised a plan prior to returning to Der Riese (which are ultimately nullified due to element 115's properties of memory loss). For reasoning I'm not sure of (maybe the community can help here), the O4 need to keep nazi Richtofen alive to prevent the cataclysm directly caused by him at the end of Buried. However, in keeping nazi Richtofen alive, it is possible that Origins Richtofen is destined to become that, if we follow the quantum theory that time is like a river. Every time our O4 enter Der Riese, Origins Richtofen refuses to become what he is destined to be, and so kills his future self. This sets off a chain of events which causes an endless cycle, similar to that exhibited in MotD, and ends in Mined Games easter egg in Buried. Since Tank seems to be impervious to the effects of Divinium diminishing memory capabilities, he retains the experiences of living through Der Riese, while the others don't.

I dunno, it seems a little messy and I don't know if this is already basically canon, but maybe it could do with some refining. I guess lemme know what you think, it seems pretty legit to me.

 

As a christian, do I believe it's a sin? Yes, yes I do. I believe it's a temptation that some people have, just like some people are tempted by greed.

However, do I believe they should be denied the same rights I enjoy? No. This isn't a theocracy, and besides, it's legal to divorce, which is clearly a sin. You don't have to approve of an action to approve of it being legalized. 

So when did you choose to be a heterosexual?  

 

Not trying to be patronizing, as I would never criticize someone for supporting what the holy book of their religion states.    Just genuinely curious as to when one would make the choice to be gay or straight.  I know for one, I never chose, I was naturally attracted to those of the opposite sex.

I feel that I didn't have to choose as I never had those temptations to be gay. I feel like gay people have the temptation of being gay, just like I have the temptation of lust. I guess I kind of believe that perhaps we all have temptations, some of us have different ones, and its kind of like a lifelong test from God to see how much faith we have in him. 

What I'm trying to communicate in that regard is that it's not that it's a deliberate decision, but an inclination that occurs in some. That inclination is not a sin. As I said, I know someone who had/has homosexual inclinations, but as they know that ACTING on those inclinations is a sin in the eyes of God, they have chosen to deny themselves for his sake, and are a better Christian than I. 

The same would apply to a man who is inclined to be a womanizer. Even though the temptation is 'straight' and 'natural,' does not make it acceptable to God. He is as much in sin if he uses a woman as a person who indulges in homosexual activity.

Grace is given to those that truly desire to deny their sinful inclinations, regardless of what they are. But God has laid guidelines and given us free will. We can choose to try out best (as feeble, though sincere, as it may be), or we can choose to ignore him.  

I am a Christian, a devout one at that, and I believe that if same-sex sexual attraction was truly a sin like some claim that it is - then God would have made it so that his children of both human and other variety could not possess or act on these attractions, nor would he have made it so that there were people that could only have these attractions and thus have to automatically "sin" if they wanted to experience the same pleasures of love, romance and companionship that anyone else does, but yet the Lord created people this way, and he also created people like me who were mentally and spiritually of one gender and put into the other gender's body (transgender people like me), and people who held a variety of attractions and feelings, he creates us all in a specific way for a reason I believe, and I believe that he loves us all the same way; no matter who we are or what we feel.

 

The Bible says women are inferior, yet it also shows examples of strong, important and significant females in both Mary's in the Bible. Or how in one section it says slavery is fine when we know that it would be considered a sin to deny a person basic human rights. Times change and so should the interpretations of the Bible.

 

Also, God gave humans Free Will, his greatest gift to man. Free will means that humans are free to be who they want and love whoever they want, he would have made it so that somebody could not love someone of the same gender if he was against it. It's just an excuse to use anything related to Christianity to say homosexuality is wrong, easier to say it when you talk about it as if a whole religion and even the Creator of the Universe agrees isn't it? But nothing in the Bible should say anything that has happened in America is wrong, homosexuality in marriage is a good thing. It does not effect you, if you don't like it keep your views to yourself and don't ruin two peoples happiness, that's your opinion but don't use Christianity's teachings as an excuse to amplify your views.

 

Sorry if I stopped making sense, long day but I hope people get what I am trying to say. NaBrZHunter, didn't know you could see through the eyes of god?