Matuzz

I hope no big maps. Zombies are co-op experience. Smaller maps (size of Kino and Der Riese) in my mind are big enough and they keep the action intense and your teammates close enough. With the 3 years they have they could have 3 well refined maps. A lot of weapons and perks are always great to have.

 

And most of all BRING BACK RADIOS AND smaller Easter Eggs hidden trough out the map.

EDIT: @Matuzz, I just thought of something. We've been saying that the teleporters created the zombies by putting in dead people, but how? In the Der Riese radios, we hear about test subjects numbers 3, 5 and 6. Number 3 gets destroyed, Number 5 vanishes but doesn't reappear, and Number 6 is when they get teleported. We hear Dr. Maxis trying to control a zombie, but if the system wasn't correct at test 5 and the testing stopped at test 6, where did the zombies come from? I mean we know that they came from teleportation, but how? Tests 5.1, 5.2, etc?

 

 Black Ops II Maxis diary:

"Though our matter transference tests at the new site have been largely unsuccessful, the teleporter's malfunction has nonetheless yielded some interesting data. 

The fact that the test subjects departed their original point of origin is undeniable. What is uncertain is what became of them."

 

From that we know that there has been a lot of subjects dissappearing. Apparently subject number 5 was first one.

 

Black Ops terminal file:

***LEVEL 1 CLEARANCE ONLY***

***DER RIESE *SERVANT* SAMPLE A91374***

What follows is the chronological primary sample from the Der Riese project “Datenbedjensteter” (translated: DATA SERVANT). Sample was acquired from CIA asset based out of Vozrozhdeniya in the Soviet Union and is translated from its original German Below:

***SERVANT ENTRY A91374***

“Ludwig Maxis

“Personal file.

“The experiments continue

“And the Reichstag call it

“A success

“But these creatures

“Cannot be controlled.

“Their minds are lost/

“They are automotons.

“This is what the Reichstag

“Wanted.

“Between the teleporters

“And our Armeeuntoten

“They believe the world

“Will be theirs.

“But the untoten cannot

“Be constained.

“It spreads far worse than

“Ever imagined.

“It will be th death

“Of us all.

***END FILE***

 

So again before the Fluffy experiment they already had A LOT of zombies in their hands. I think this pretty much confirms that hey had a lot more subjects than just 5 before Fluffy. So it's pretty safe to say that there indeed must have been subjects 5.1, 5.2 etc. When did the first zombie appear on the mainframe we can't know :/

 

 

After all before Maxis was betrayed Verruckt had been built and it had fallen to outbreak. Peter had gone to Shi No Numa to test DG-2 by Richtofen's order and Kino had been setup in Berlin as successor of Verruckt.

 

Well Fluffy seemed to get desire for brains after going trough the teleport. Also we know that Richtofen and Maxis had many speciemens that they used. And those who didn't handle the teleportation process simply died and become zombies. Der Riese radio "The test subjects have survived teleportation but are currently unresponsive to commands and cannot be controlled." Some of them simply exploded or meleted in the process before they had first test subjects get trough and become zombies. And some just dissapeared.

 

Which then gave Maxis the idea for undead army. That's how at least I have though it occured. I have also always believed that the teleporters in FIVE caused the outbreak in pentagon when the german zombies who were stuck in Aether (didn't arrive in mainframe) finally got chance to come trough them.

 

Only few were able to actually go trough german teleporters and still be human/have their body and those were Samantha, Richtofen, Tank, Nikolai, Takeo and maybe Ludvig (long exposure to Element 115 helsp?). The reason why zombies can't go trough German teleporters is probably because of the electricity that zombies hate so much. Ie. Wunderwaffe and electric fences.

With the teleportation, they could either use someone alive, someone dead, or someone in between, like a zombie. I doubt they used zombies because we know that they died when put in a teleporter. We know that Element 115 causes dead cells to reanimate, so therefore to get a zombie to come out, they needed to use dead specimens, or dead people. I mean why use live specimens when there's a chance it dies, and when you can use a dead one and possibly bring it back to life? But yeah I agree that that gave him the idea of an undead army. So this was after Dr. Richtofen had already teleported the walnut, probably sabotaging the machines so Dr. Maxis could never figure out how to really teleport anything.

 

I think they aslo used live subjects. Richtofen was extremely shocked after a test subject exploded/melted. Which on the other hand doesn't make any sense knowin his past as "The Butcher".

 

Edward: "O-Oh my God!"

Dr. Maxis: "Get a hold of yourself and clean that up! Test number 3 unsuccessful, test subject has been reduced to the same state as previous subjects, clean up the test chamber and re-calibrate the system! Let's do it again."

Edward: "Yes, Doctor."

 

 

In regards to Fluffy, that's true. So she went through Aether/Hell and the Devil took control of her. I think the pregnancy comes into it because when she went through the teleporter, the babies died but the Element 115 caused them to come back to life. Otherwise, she would've had the babies while in Aether, which I think is less likely.

There's also a few more live people that teleported. All of those who worked at Griffin Station, including Dr. Groph and Dr. Schuster.

Dr. Edward Richtofen: Nein, Dr. Groph, I know what it does. It is a direct connection to another dimension.

*Crowd begins conversing again*

Dr. Groph: Preposterous!

Dr. Edward Richtofen: No more preposterous than teleporting all of you to (Static) Griffin Station.

I definitely agree that they hate electricity, seeing as how the traps in Kino are electric, aren't they? On top of this, is there anything to suggest that more Element 115 does anything bad to them, or not really?

 

I don't think more Element 115 has anymore harm to the zombies. But then again we don't know the creation process for Nova6 and Denizens zombies which all feature human like features.

 

 

We know that Samantha, Nikolai, Dempsey and Takeo were all been experiment by Richtofen. Maxis was always around Element 115 and already noticed side effects. Maybe Richtofen was able to create serium that allowed people to go trough the portals which he also gave to the Group 935 employs who sided with him on betrayal of Maxis and worked on The Griffin Station. Maxis didn't have that so he lost his body but because of Element 115 his soul/consciousness managed to stay intact into the Aether. Maybe?

@Matuzz I think reanimate may be the wrong word, but rather reassemble, or reconstruct. And by the reconstruction going wrong, what do you mean exactly? I understand that overexposure to 115 can mess with your brain and mind, like Dr. Maxis, which can lead to "the sickness" as Dr. Richtofen calls it, but what does that include? I wasn't aware it made you yearn for for brains, I thought it literally just made you sick and unhealthy, like Takeo puking after teleportation. However, I suppose that could also be attributed to moving through the wormhole and things unrelated to 115. Anyway, I guess my question is how do we know that when Element 115 is introduced to a live human, it makes them more into a zombie, especially "tremendously" like you said?

As for the digital teleporters, which include the Gersh Device and Five Teleporters, it seems pretty clear that they run on similar technology, where the Gersh Device is just a pocket version of the Five Teleporters. However, the Five Teleporters are either more advanced or serve a different purpose, seeing as Zombies can go through one and not the other. I personally say the Five Teleporters are just more advanced, because we know that the Gersh Device wasn't completed when Yuri killed Gersh. I've also been convinced for a while now that these digital teleporters don't have any Element 115 in them. Nothing about the Ascension Group has screamed 115 to me, and sure ex-935 scientists are a part of the group, but it's just so different than the others. Just my ramblings, tell me what you think.

Well Fluffy seemed to get desire for brains after going trough the teleport. Also we know that Richtofen and Maxis had many speciemens that they used. And those who didn't handle the teleportation process simply died and become zombies. Der Riese radio "The test subjects have survived teleportation but are currently unresponsive to commands and cannot be controlled." Some of them simply exploded or meleted in the process before they had first test subjects get trough and become zombies. And some just dissapeared.

 

Which then gave Maxis the idea for undead army. That's how at least I have though it occured. I have also always believed that the teleporters in FIVE caused the outbreak in pentagon when the german zombies who were stuck in Aether (didn't arrive in mainframe) finally got chance to come trough them.

 

Only few were able to actually go trough german teleporters and still be human/have their body and those were Samantha, Richtofen, Tank, Nikolai, Takeo and maybe Ludvig (long exposure to Element 115 helsp?). The reason why zombies can't go trough German teleporters is probably because of the electricity that zombies hate so much. Ie. Wunderwaffe and electric fences.

 

 The staff itself is relatively new. Only couple of people from the staff are actually from early Bo days not to mention the W@W days from this site. So that right there is also one problem. There is no doubt to be more bias towards more recent contribution.

Undoubtedly that is how it will play out. The site has changed, the people have changed, and most certainly the recognition has changed.  Will the inactive folks from 2008-2011 be made legends? No probably not. Will I get a custom carbonfibah userbar? Nope. Do I care? No sir. Do they care? Probably not

 

However if you do have a nomination for one of the Ancient ones and can link us to some of their work. I and the rest of the staff would be more than happy to take it into consideration. Let us know!

 

I think @cjdog23 deserves to be Veteran. He dig so much files for the whole Codz community back in the day and even from Black Ops II like all the quotes and important textures. His work was extremely valuable!

Also there is one more thing to be taken into consideration. These awards of course are given by staff. And that's the only way I can see them to be given and both of these awards are pretty much given to good long time contributors. The staff itself is relatively new. Only couple of people from the staff are actually from early Bo days not to mention the W@W days from this site. So that right there is also one problem. There is no doubt to be more bias towards more recent contribution.

So what we know about the MTD. It's based on Die Glocke that used Mercury which in the game is replaced by Ununpentium know as Element 115. The devices required tremendous ammount of power and they were linked to eachother or mainframe or devices used by Vril-Ya like the pyramid and Shangri-La which is one giant time teleportation device. The teleporters used the Aether dimension which is/was used by Vril-Ya who Richtofen came in contact by testing the MTD prototype. The aether is also controlled partly by anyone using the M.P.D aka pyramid.

 

By using Element 115 and electricity you can break down the body, travel trough the Aether and come out of other link and reanimate your body. If the reanimation goes wrong your apetite for brains will increase tremendously. Only few are able to go trough the teleportation unchanged or with out severe side effects.

 

But we must not forget that americans developed a digital way of teleportation which also linked into Aether. Then there is third method of teleporting and that is trough the hole of Denizen. Also phasing zombies can teleport by themselves. And Richtofen while in control of Aether can bring people from death and apparently teleport them without the need of existing links. Most likely because of the huge Element 115 overload caused on Earth by the rockets from Moon.

Vril generator is not needed for telepportation but to change bodies. As for who has the Vril generator? No one I believe. Richtofen can't have it at least because he is in zombie body or in Samuel depending on the side the player chose. Both Vril generator and Focusing Stone were probably destroyed in the body switcheroo progress in Moon.

 

Origins in itself is separated from the story arch prior to it. It's alternate universe sort of in the game of Samanths and Richtofen.

I think whole brains/post counts etc. as some sort of milestones that one would need to get to some group imo is not a good choice to put as artificial barriers to get into any group. There should be just one criteria that should be asked and that is:

Is he/she worth it?

Is there anyone who pre-ordered Advanced Warfare and has a code for the shader in Destiny that they aren't going to use? I would love to have that. 

It apparently comes for sale with the next DLC vendor.

 

 

 

Perhaps staff may consider doing a huddle for new people to be added to the "Hall of Fame" group annually? I think it would be a nice, fun little event to have some year-end awards (which I still need to do...) and wrap the year up with some kind of crowning of CoDz latest additions to HoF. 

 

We award UOTM each month, perhaps we could just save HoF promotions for the grand finale?

 

As long as it's kept prestigious enough that not too many people are being added, that's the only thing I can stress about Hall of Fame.  

No doubt. But given it's awarded by staff as a whole, add on the fact they do this only once a year, I don't see more than 3-5 people being awarded the title at once each year, if that.

Why not round up the 12 winners of the user of the months and have a final vote for user of the year and Hall of Fame to the winner

 

I don't think it would be something you could get just by getting Utom once in a year. It should be something prestigious and not easily gained. It would require long and positive participation on the site.

I remember the days I was green. Maybe I'll get theorist medal when the next 3arc game comes but that depends on the story

Story for me is more important but that being said the game play should also be exiting and challenging. That's why my faivorite maps are (Shangri-La and Verruckt). I just get bored when the games just drag on and on. I also dislike solo. For me zombies is Co-Op experince and best played as such.

 

Also sup Tac?

It angers me there's not a zombies mode in GTA…. 

 

:3

I mean it's pretty obvious they have planned the whole zombies to be DLC only just to get desperate zombie fans who might not otherwise buy the game to first buy the game and then the season pass. They even planted a zombies teaser in the game just to sell future DLC. Well they can do what ever they want and those who think its worth their money can buy it but I personally wouldn't support games with such practices.

 

Call of Duty in general is going to mDLC milking pattern any way. They tested it with Black Ops II. And to my astonishment people really bought into it. Even when the game was a premium price plus season pass (for example BF gives all the goodies with Premium). After the successful BO2 test they really cranked it up with Ghosts. Ton of mDLC and even guns. We know where the trend is going with Advanced Warfare. Supply Drops anyone?

 

 

 

Start a new one. The old story got conclusion anyway.

No it didn't. 

 

Well I have been trought this so many times but Buried was the last map and ending for the new crew story. Origins was the ending for the whole zombies story. Treyarch knew they had to cut off the loose ends.

 

Please, humor me, explain how origins finished anything, and for the love of god if you say "it was all a kids game" I'll respond with: "My dad has a plan"...

 

Well it was kids imagination game. Treyarch made it extremely clear that everything of our story up to the cut scene was a game playd by two children. By doing that they ended the old story. The cut scene in a way is and is not part of the old story. They may continue a new story that follows what happens after the cut scene or create a completely new story. Either way the story has ended for the old crew, new crew, Samantha and Maxis.

 

Start a new one. The old story got conclusion anyway.

No it didn't. 

 

Well I have been trought this so many times but Buried was the last map and ending for the new crew story. Origins was the ending for the whole zombies story. Treyarch knew they had to cut off the loose ends.

Start a new one. The old story got conclusion anyway.

Not enough for me to even consider buying this game.

Better servers!  Heeeyo, I'll escort myself out....

 

 

• Bully: Scholarhip Edition

 

Those are the games I own and have NEVER played. It seems I'm leading.

 

 

!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

 

You're missing out!!!!

 

How have you NOT played Bully!?!?!?

 

.....

 

One of the best games I ever played!

 

Your comment irked me more than it should have!

 

Haha I haven't had time to play it yet. Maybe some day

I also remembered that I forgot to list few Origin games I have not layed so here they are:

• Dead Space 3
• Peggle
• Wing Commander 3
• Plants vs Zombies

• GTA
• GTA2
• GTA3
• Manhunt
• Midnight Club 2
• Portal
• Bully: Scholarhip Edition
• Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
• Back to the Future by Telltale
• Capsized
• Crysis 2 Maximum Edition
• Darksiders
• Dead Space
• eets
• English Country Tune
• FEAR
• FEAR: Extraction Point
• FEAR: Perseus Mandate
• FEAR 2
• FEAR 3
• The Lord of the Rings: War in the north
• Metro 2033
• Mirror's Edge
• Mortal Kombat Kollection
• Oil Rush
• Puzzle Agent
• Puzzle Agent 2
• Red Faction: Armageddon
• Risen
• Risen 2
• Sacred 2 Gold
• Sacred Citadel
• Saints Row 2
• Saints Row 3
• Sam & Max
• Scribblenauts Unlimited
• Serious Sam Classics
• Serious Sam HD: The First Encounterment
• Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounterment
• Serious Sam: The Random Encounterment
• Shank
• Sniper Elite V2
• Tiny and Big: Granpa's Leftovers
• Wallece & Gromit
• Warhammer 40,000 Dawn of War

 

Those are the games I own and have NEVER played. It seems I'm leading.

 

Endings:

Origins, the reality of the zombies story is revealed. It's actually a game played by Samantha and Richtofen who are kids, fighting for the control in the game. This was hinted all the way back in Kino Der Toten. The story as we know ends as the children stop playing.

That's great and all, but Edward Richtofen was never spoke of as being a child back in Kino Der Toten. You could argue that this WAS all just a game. But my arguments against that....

1. Richtofen aka Eddy being a kid? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Richtofen is the character of that Eddy kid in the end. As far as the ending goes it is kinda irrelevsant wethere his actual last name is Richtofen or if Samantha's is Maxis. Those were they character who fought for control as the kids themselves did when playing.

2) Does this "game" sound anything like the average game children would play on their spare time? There's next to no way Sam or Eddy could possibly have known about most of this stuff.

Thats the way Treyarch wanted to go with it. As child I had good imagination at least.

3) How exactly do you explain how Sam knew about some of the weapons in black ops 2? It seems as if her and Eddy are in the WW2 era or sometime near then. Many of the blops 2 weapons didn't exist back then.

Guns... I think this has been debated already quite many times in this forum. They are game mechanism not part of the story. There is no need to take everything in this game seriously and try to figure how guns from different eras jump to these maps. So yeah guns = non canon.

Endings:

 

Black Ops, Earth is destroyed -> Richtofen is in the control of Aether and Samantha is in his body. Old crew dies, Samantha gains somehow access back to Aether.

 

Black Ops II:

Maxis, Maxis gains control, dooms the Earth, transfers Richtofen to a zombie body. Maxis and Samantha are reunited and new crew dies.

 

Richtofen, Richtofen gains full control of Aether, Earth becomes his playground. Richtofen destroys his own body and as result sends Samantha to damnation and Maxis is completely destroyed from all realms. Richtofen takes Samuel's body. New crew dies excluding Samuel who now shares the body with Richtofen.

 

Origins, the reality of the zombies story is revealed. It's actually a game played by Samantha and Richtofen who are kids, fighting for the control in the game. This was hinted all the way back in Kino Der Toten. The story as we know ends as the children stop playing.

 

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What is to come? We continue in the "real" world from the Origins ending. We get completely new story.

 

Treyarch killed the old story we had for a good reason.

Skipped the whole last gen so I'm happy some old gens best games get remastered.