Tac

I'm so torn on the MP.  I definitely think some of the snipers are under-powered, on top of how difficult Treyarch seems to make sniping in general.  Curse the Black Ops I quick-scopers that got the whole system changed :p Maps are fun, though they aren't as open as I'd want.  I want another version of Wasteland or something.  However, that would require better sniping, so that'll never happen.  I also wish they'd add back the rest of the original Wager Matches.  Gun Game is by far my favorite, but my friends wished for other ones.  I feel like I get more hitmarkers than I should, though that's probably a common feeling associated with the player, not the game.  But still, it seems excessive.  The launchers are pretty fun, I've enjoyed them thus far.  Overall I think Advanced Warfare was loads better, but I still enjoy playing.  I'll jut have to forego any respectable K/D if I want to play.

Just as a heads up, we've got a previous discussion about the scraps of paper here if you'd like to weigh in with this stuff over there :)

In relation to your image with Saturday, May 03 on it, only two years in the 1940s have that date: 1941 and 1947.  With the Saturday, June 23 image, that's only in 1945.  Couple this with the Friday night date of April 10 (which is in 1942), we have a host of dates to work with.  Doing a quick search, I'm not able to find anything too interesting about October 32nd, though if one had to somehow assign a date to Saturday, October 32nd, it would again be either 1941 of 1947.

Hey guys, Tac here with another thread.  Through the various telephones, whether they be from the prologue or in the actual game, we have learned a lot about our four sinners we play with.  Below I'll provide the three transcripts for each of their respective sections, as well as the handful of quotes from the rituals general encounters (in orange), in chronological order.  Afterwards I'll provide my thoughts and theories on what was just read, so I recommend skimming all the dialogue transcripts beforehand.  To get this out of the way, I am saying the one consistent man on the phone is Mr. Rapt, as noted when the journalist said the following to Mr. Rapt: "I tracked down all the people you asked me to look into.  I sent you a telegram of all their details, all their contact numbers."  Another to note, which everyone likely already knows, is that the phone calls in which no one responds signifies that the killing of whoever has already taken place.

Nero Blackstone

Telephones

Thoughts

Jack Vincent

Telephones

Thoughts

Floyd Campbell

Telephones

Thoughts

Jessica Rose

Telephones

Thoughts

So, that's my preliminary analysis on what I've seen and heard so far.  There are many conundrums to deal with regarding Mr. Rapt, however.  It's been said that Mr. Rapt was involved in each character's plots from the very beginning, but given what I said regarding Nero Blackstone's wife, this doesn't appear to be the case.  Additionally, it's been assumed that Mr. Rapt took part in at least pushing each character to kill their associate, which may be given credence with the Blackstone and Campbell scenarios (the latter to a lesser extent).  However, it holds no empirical weight in regards to Jack Vincent and Jessica Rose.  With Vincent, one would have to show that on the same day the newspaper story ran, he found out the suit visited his partner.  This chain of events is not impossible, but there simply is no evidence to suggest that it's true.  In regards to Jessica's situation, one would have to show her producer's meeting with Mr. Rapt somehow led her to kill the blackmailer, though given what I said in that section, it simply isn't possible without inserting an unsubstantiated claim into the mix.  So, in the community's attempt to draw parallels between the stories and provide an overarching theme for what Mr. Rapt is treating these characters, we seemed to miss some things.  Are there still any overarching things we can extrapolate?

39 minutes ago, Stop Mocking Me0 said:

Please don't start this "shangri-la is on mars" topic again....

You're welcome ;)

3 hours ago, PINNAZ said:

@Tac I was just specifically talking about the symbol on the Agarthans, Ancient O4 & Keepers clothing 

Oh derp, my bad!

There are two years between Origins and The Giant, so on top of Shadows of Evil, there's plenty that could've happened in that time (such as a Brazil visit).

9 hours ago, PINNAZ said:

The interesting thing about that fictionalized "Black Sun Symbol", is that we first saw it on the Agarthan Zombies, on the O4 Statues, on the Ancients picture and now we see it in The Keepers. 

 

The O4 holding the Staffs can also be seen in the PaP Stone Wall fighting the Margwas. 

 

The Ancient O4, Argarthan & Keepers are all protecting something. They are all related. 

The first time we encountered the Black Sun was before that, actually.  In Der Riese, we saw the German word for Black Sun "Schwarze Sonne" on the chalkboard and in Shangri-La, the actual logo was on the loading screen I believe.

@PINNAZ, I don't think that Mr. Rapt is The Shadowman.  In the radios, the freelance journalist tells Mr. Rapt that the locals informed him of "a 'dark force' [that] cast its shadow over the city" long ago.  Mr. Rapt seems like he's the intrigued outsider, not the Shadowman.

On 11/14/2015, 6:19:51, Nightmare Voyager said:

I am not sure how many people know of these things, but there are phones near each characters ritual site that state a bit of back story about them or about the map. There also seem to be phones that can only be accessed after a ritual, showing that resorting to murder was not what the characters had to do and they were actually going to be able to live a fine life. For example for Vincent, a phone can be found near the perk spawn of the Canal District that alludes to his partner possibly ratting him out. But then in the Ruby Rabbit, after doing the ritual, a phone will be found that is form the partner telling Vincent he was questioned about him but he would have never said anything as he was his best friend and they were partners and that Vincent was not suspected in the slightest. So you essentially sacrifice the people who would have put you in the clear. I have only heard Vincents and Nero so who knows what other information there is for the others.

I've got the quotes in this thread:
http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/index.php?/topic/139175-transcripts-of-zombies-radios-journals-cinematics-and-letters/

On 11/14/2015, 6:19:51, Nightmare Voyager said:

I thought this was a strange back story for Nero, apparently he was in a coma after performing the "Amphibious Man" act. This got me thinking about a lot of things. Nero is alluded to have some great trick linked to tentacles at least, as shown by his posters, but what if his trick was something a lot more sinister? What if Nero had somehow unlocked the power of the Cursed and used it as a trick. It is a great trick after all, a man changes into an Amphibious being before your very eyes. Nero does make a quote saying "What if we always held this power." Or something along those lines that alludes to the fact that he is aware the curse power is not something new the characters have.

Every character has a quote about hypothetically never being able to change back from a Beast, so I think this is alluding to that, not that he knew of these creatures beforehand.  This isn't to say he didn't know of them, but this quote doesn't support the theory in my opinion.

On 11/14/2015, 9:33:36, Ragdo11706 said:

I know for a fact when you ride the Tram for the first time from one District to another. Upon arrival you will hear the phone ring right outside the Tram.

 

If you answer you'll hear A reporter every time saying, " Hey Mr. Rat". The first time he talks about the "Meteors" (Meatballs). The second time I believe about the Fungus/Growth in the dark alleyways (The Harvesting Pods). Finally on the last phone call he talks about the "Order of the Keepers" & a Cult. 

 

The weird part is every single time he answers the phone he says , "Hey Mr. Rat" the last one he also states that he's looking forward to actually finally meeting him.

 

I know with Campbell (The Boxer) one of the phones is an interview with the guy he's fighting manager. He talks about why he wouldn't fight the #1 contender, but instead a nobody that will be easily defeated.

 

Jessica's phones can be found in front of the build table in the City. The after Ritual one is on the right side of the Bar facing the city. 

I believe the meteors he's referring to are actual meteors, likely containing Element 115 and creating the zombies, like in Shi No Numa.

I'm having some trouble understanding your theory.  The grammar and flow are giving me difficulty, is there any way you could edit the post a little so I can provide feedback? :)

12 hours ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

No but I don't understand where the black sun ever came into it or when what a Vril-Ya looked like was completely changed. Its more like everyones ignoring the source material without taking things like it into account.

It isn't that it's being ignored, I don't think, but rather that people don't think it should be all that's looked at when looking for their appearance (or something else).  The mythos around the Black Sun and Vril-ya has grown since the book and that should be taken into account.

9 hours ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

Vril is their source of energy, the black sun is an occult symbol. It never mentions it in the Power of the Coming Race and I have never seen any connection otherwise besides Nazi's using it. I feel like people are linking stuff together that isn't linked and just saying stuff as fact, such as that Keepers are Vril Ya, without them actually looking up the definition of what they look like.

You're acting as if the only source of Vril-ya information we should concern ourselves with is the Power of the Coming Race, which is absurd.  One could almost say that the Nazi references hold more weight, considering the game we're playing.

3 minutes ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

The symbol is from the black sun. That doesn't automatically mean they are vril, you should at least look up what they look like because its nothing like Keepers.

Though it's pretty indicative that the Vril-ya are related in this, considering the Black Sun is their source of energy.

52 minutes ago, Rissole25 said:

It's kind of funny isn't it. Everyone (not literally everyone) wanted the Campaign team to take over, saying Mob and Origins were so much better than the rest (right in some aspects). They wanted Jimmy out. And now it seems like everyone is denouncing them and this map and want the old Zombies team back.

 

I won't lie, it definitely has flaws (don't get me started on the fact you can literally see the edge of the water down by the docks). But I just thought it was something worth pointing out.

Oh man, I hope no one's calling the old team back in!

12 hours ago, zombo187 said:

I like to think that Vril-ya may yet be the witches or w/e from SoE. All we know of the Vril-ya and Vril Tech kinda syncs up with what the witches seem capable of. Some think that the tentacled monsters and shadow man are related to the witches (I don't know the real name for them, hopefully you can tell who I mean.) and are all the same "team" but I do not subscribe to that logic. It seems to me like the witch was going to offer you the artifact before richtofen stole it. Idk but I really can't wait to find out how the Vril-ya resurface if this isn't them. I mean even the "Agartha" we got in Origins wasn't really an "inner earth" so to speak we had to teleport there, could exist anywhere in time/space or even diff dimension. That could be a metaphoric "inner earth".  Who knows. I just see some data syncing up in peripherals is all.

 

11 hours ago, zombo187 said:

They actually do have similar traits if you think about it that is where my post came from.

So first, the being you're describing are known as Keepers! :)  I definitely think we have much more to learn about the Vril-ya.  They've been with us since Der Riese and their presence has grown ever-greater.  In addition, in regards to their looks, there are multiple different sources that are credible for what they look like, so I don't think we should hinder ourselves to one, like The Coming Race.  However, I'm not entirely convinced that these beings are Vril-ya.  It would be an awesome if they were, but the lack of Vril-ya and Agartha references thus far makes me hesitant to say that.  However, like I said, I sure hope so!

3 hours ago, Castun50 said:

U know i was just thinking this, i mean the pyramid is a little lovecrafty (see my previous post on cthulu) and yea you do need a sacrifice for that. Maybe this is how the vril came about to? Maybe we were not far off back in COTD days with the vril-ya and the hollow earth stuff.

Haha trust me, the Vril-ya and Hollow Earth stuff is very much in play.  Ever since Der Riese!  

The artifact mentioned in The Giant is definitely the Summoning Key from Shadows of Evil, no doubt about it.  I'm hoping that completing the egg does something to help the search for a Giant side quest, though I have my doubts about that.  I wouldn't make any broad assumptions though, as you imply he may not be doing this "for the good" anymore, since we simply have no idea what's happening.  We'll certainly learn in time!

21 minutes ago, S1ippery Jim said:

The producer, like most people at the time, did not know the means used to complete the easter egg. 

How does that have any impact on whether it's done?

11 minutes ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

Is it confirmed to even be the end of the easter egg? It really doesn't seem like the ending, no reward as far as I know, a cutscene that isn't even a game ending one, it seems like theres more to it but I don't know, is it being called complete because of the cutscene or is there proof of it being the ending besides a cutscene that barely says its the ending?

A producer at Treyarch tweeted this, so take it as you wish:

https://twitter.com/Screebles/status/664631387568390144

55 minutes ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

 

Where are you reading that? Says it nowhere in Power of the Coming Race

3 minutes ago, Nightmare Voyager said:

 

I don't know about that, they seem pretty peaceful in this and a lot more advanced then us to just suddenly pull some thing like that.

This theory of evil Vril-ya is, I believe, what the zombies story is based off of.  I've said before Shangri-La that the Vril-ya in-game, especially from S-L, are not good.  In my eyes, they are the Illuminati and they do not have good intentions.  This is all based off of popular mythology about the race that didn't come from the Coming Race.  @Monopoly Mac and I made a thread about it ages ago.  While some things in there surely need to be edited, it gets the point across.

http://www.callofdutyzombies.com/index.php?/topic/170129-the-grand-satanic-aryan-angel-alien-connection-by-tac-mac/

Haha even in another reality, he uses the same quote xD

Edit: It's not like what I said means much though haha, considering there are infinite timelines so a 100% he would say it in another timeline

2 minutes ago, NaBrZHunter said:

5 minutes ago, Tac said:

Yeah @Kill_All_Monkeys, I believe they did.  Playing through the entire thing and hearing them was a good experience.

Can you confirm non-canon? Or alternate, inconsequential universe?

Umm, overall yeah I'd say non-canon, but I should refresh myself on the specifics.  I still hope the Frozen Forest comes in at the end.

Yeah @Kill_All_Monkeys, I believe they did.  Playing through the entire thing and hearing them was a good experience.

On 11/10/2015, 5:42:32, NaBrZHunter said:

On 11/10/2015, 4:46:33, kilerbrambo88x said:

So its not realy clear in wich map or event they went to the giant? I just want to know at which point they went back in time.... (i think: that the crew teleported for exaple: moon, back in time to the giant to change history)  i don't know or that is correct, thats why i ask you guys!

They actually didn't go back in time. Retrospective time travel causes a grandfather paradox. They moved forward in time from Origins, and according to Dempsey, made two or more other stops along the way.

Yeah, that's going to be an important thing to remember: there was no going back in time.  I'll try to explain it in a way that made it easier for me to wrap my head around (for the sake of explaining, I'll avoid the intricacies MurderMachineX detailed above).  Think about the life you're currently living, and let's say you have a significant other and eventually break up.  This is one universe, and in another, you met this same person in the same way and begin dating, but you don't break up in this Universe.  Everything about your life was identical up until the point in which you didn't break up, and life just took a different path from there.  Apply this to the storyline.  There is one universe in which 935 goes to Bar-le-Duc, France (Origins location), in search of Element 115 and don't find it ("main" storyline), but in a different universe, they did find some, and it changed the course of what we consider "history," if that makes sense.  It's the same concept as your significant other.

Now, there are an infinite amount of these universes.  To go back to the analogy about your life, there is a universe for falling in love with each and every individual person and every way possible.  Similiarly to the story, there is a Universe in which Dr. Richtofen was never conceived, one where he is killed at the age of 8, and one in which he decided to never go into this field at all.  Anything you can imagine is a universe.  These specific in-game universes are being treated as ones that Dr. Richtofen and Dr. Maxis have sought out, because they don't care about those other ones.  Does that clear anything up at all?  If not please tell me and I'll try again to help you :)