Accumulating Storyline

[Guest MurderMachineX]

@Tactical: [i'm replying as read your thread.]

Are we really to assume that Steiner was ever part of 935? The Reichstag had many Wunderwaffe Programs. I always figured Nova Gas was one that was just added later than the others we listed. This would mean that 935 and Nova 6 had no communication between each other, much like the CIA and FBI prior to 9/11.

In any event, the containers don't contain Nova Gas. They clearly contain humanoids. Richtofen states in Call of the Dead that they were trying to store the, indirectly said, Zombies.

@BlindBusDriver:

Oh yes. So the US got Kino and Verruckt? Btw, you know the dismantled Thundergun in "Five"? Maybe they got that from Kino. Oh yes, Shi No Numa. So the Pocket Teleporter I think could be valid, but the only problem would be their choise to NOT use it sometimes.

[Guest Tac]

According to Steiner himself, Germany approached him in 1943 to make NOVA 6. That kind of screams 935 to me because Maxis was even involved in NOVA 6. Therefore, I believe that they were part of the same program, not separate.

Did I say the containers have the gas? If so I apologize, but I believe I said that they weren't humans, not implying gas. My apologies for the confusion.

[Guest MurderMachineX]

I don't really see any way to know whether he was or wasn't. So I personally think that it is an unprovable possibility. Something that could be true, but since we aren't sure, shouldn't be listed as such. Like I said, there were many programs. Nova 6 takes up most of the campaign, so I figured it was important enough to have its own program. Especially because it has nothing to do with anything 115 or futuristic.

Well you seemed to imply they contained Gas Zombies.

[Guest Tac]

In the Kino film reels, we see his desk if that counts, and I believe he is in the pictures, but that is up for debate. We know for sure that it is his desk though. Well we know they did they dealt with VRIL at Der Riese, which isn't 115 related. But I guess I see what you mean by futuristic, but all we know for certain is that Steiner made NOVA 6 while working for a Wunderwaffen group in Germany, and that Maxis worked with the NOVA 6 Zombies as late at 1944, while Steiner was still under German control.

[Guest MurderMachineX]

His desk? Do you have a picture or something? This is the first I've heard of this.

[Guest Tac]

Google images is yielding no results, so I will try and get a screenshot at some point unless someone can do it for me? I know that the numbers 110 and 115 are almost engraved in the desk, it was part of the mind control that it believed to have went on at Kino, since Steiner was so good at it

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

His desk? Do you have a picture or something? This is the first I've heard of this.

You've seen it, you know that little desk to the right of the pack a punch with the golden Dr. Ludwig Maxis plate on it in the photo projector room with the PaP you teleport too?

[Guest MurderMachineX]

Is the desk on a picture that appears in the Kino der Toten film rolls on the projector?

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

Is the desk on a picture that appears in the Kino der Toten film rolls on the projector?

No that's Steiner making Nova 6, at what I believe to be the Discovery base but that's just a theory.

You've obviously play on Kino, didn't you ever notice the little desk when you teleport?

[Guest MurderMachineX]

Yes. The only significant desk I know of is the one that proved Ludwig was actually Ludvig.

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

Yes. The only significant desk I know of is the one that proved Ludwig was actually Ludvig.

here's a pic just to confirm we're on the same thing

btw I think we found via no clip the golden plaque with ludvig maxis on it beneath the stairs in the Z-C tele porter room by the bloody paw print.

[Guest Tac]

The reason I still believe it is Ludwig is because I am almost positive I saw it in the Terminal. I have also seen Ludvig, so I can't tell. I am still pretty sure that the desk is his, especially if he is the one working there.

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

The reason I still believe it is Ludwig is because I am almost positive I saw it in the Terminal. I have also seen Ludvig, so I can't tell. I am still pretty sure that the desk is his, especially if he is the one working there.

It goes either way. In American it's Ludwig, in German it's Ludvig, I think that's how it is. Either way, it's not really a big deal.

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

you know I was thinking about what I said earlier about Gorki.

Gorki had strong ties to the Russian Government and Der Riese. So he would have known about the ThunderGun and knew about Der Riese for sure. And Daniel Clarke was another fellow who worked on Nova 6.

Is it possible that Gorki is the reasons that the ThunderGun Mk III ended up in one of Clarke's safe houses?

Perhaps they were friends. Maybe Lazarus was a nickname...

[Guest MurderMachineX]

BlindBusDrive: Why? Is there something concerning Steiner on that desk?

Oh, and yes, you're right. Ludvig and Ludwig seem interchangeable, just like Gersh and Gersch.

What's with Lazarus? Excuse me, I only look into the campaign when I have to.

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

BlindBusDrive: Why? Is there something concerning Steiner on that desk?

Oh, and yes, you're right. Ludvig and Ludwig seem interchangeable, just like Gersh and Gersch.

What's with Lazarus? Excuse me, I only look into the campaign when I have to.

Well there's the Nova 6 in the crawlers, and a picture above the desk shows the molecular make up of the chemical and a note mentions Tabun and Sarin, part of Nova 6's make up.

And Steiner is also in one of the movie reels.

And in the intel with Clarke, Numbers I believe, he says he's planning to escape away with a friend named Lazarus into the mountains, where they will 'have a wonderful view of World War 3"

[Guest nayrc]

Well there's the Nova 6 in the crawlers, and a picture above the desk shows the molecular make up of the chemical and a note mentions Tabun and Sarin, part of Nova 6's make up.

And Steiner is also in one of the movie reels.

how does the note on the desk have anything to do with stiner?

and what reel is he in?

[Guest Tac]

Well he created NOVA6, he was the original creator, and he created it for Germany. As for the reels, I am not sure which one, but whichever one there are people in (maybe 2-3), it it thought to be him. Personally I can't tell.

[Guest nayrc]

Well he created NOVA6, he was the original creator, and he created it for Germany. As for the reels, I am not sure which one, but whichever one there are people in (maybe 2-3), it it thought to be him. Personally I can't tell.

if both storylines are linked yes, but anyway, that note makes absolutely no sense what so ever too me,

hmm... i was never really sure who was talking in the reels but i though it was the same person the whole way through

[Guest Tac]

There is the molecular and chemical make-up of the gas NOVA 6 on the note, and Steiner created NOVA 6, that is his connection.

And he doesn't mean talking, there are pictures with the film reels of a desk and hidden subliminal messages in them, some have a man standing in the back that is believed to be Steiner.

[Guest nayrc]

And he doesn't mean talking, there are pictures with the film reels of a desk and hidden subliminal messages in them, some have a man standing in the back that is believed to be Steiner.

ahh yes, thanks for clearing that up, yes i know the reel you are talking about, him working at the desk

and what i saw the nova formula but what i don't understand is that is was sent to Richthofen but dated in 1970's

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

And also just to point out, he is not just speculated to be Steiner because he looks like him, it's because when Hudson is asking Mason what he knows about Nova6, right when brings up Steiner it shows that clip from Kino.

[Guest MurderMachineX]

Well I think Steiner is indirectly reference there.

Also, Gas Zombies are made out of old, German-variant Nova gas, not the high-tech Russian Nova 6.

I think this is a good translation of the message. It also mentions "space and time", time travel reference?

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

Well I think Steiner is indirectly reference there.

Also, Gas Zombies are made out of old, German-variant Nova gas, not the high-tech Russian Nova 6.

I think this is a good translation of the message. It also mentions "space and time", time travel reference?

hmm, I believe that they are curious of how Richtofen just disappears at time, like when he's on the Moon at Griffin Station, nobody knows where he's went, and then poof he's back around. It's probably the start of Maxis' distrust.

Also, Steiner was the original creator of Nova 6 for the Germans too. Remember he showed it to them.

I think Steiner is bit to fully involved with the Wunderwaffe program to NOT know about Group 935 and such.

And don't forget the X rays in his labs of the Nova crawlers.

[Guest BlindBusDrivr]

I was wondering this lately about the crawlers, perhaps they were an experiment with the tele porters, combining two things genetically?

Look at this clip ( beware it's kind of grotesque)

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