Doppelgänger

The laugh is put there for glitchers and modders. If you leave theconfines of the map you hear the laugh. In Black Ops 2 on Die Rise this happens a lot and eventually you die. I'm pretty sure this is on every map as it has occurred to me on Moon after I was pulled through a wall by the astronaut.

So then why did we play Call of the Dead without having fog or lava everywhere?

Time Travel is a messy mistress, let me try to explain this the best I can.

When we go to CotD, we have yet to launch the missiles from the moon, we don't even have the focusing stone and we just acquired the rod.

So even thought CotD is in 2011 and Moon supposedly happens on those dates, CotD is still solid because Ric isn't in the MPD in that future, Sam is. By altering the past we affect the future.

If we went back to CotD now that the missiles have launched will it be different? More than likely. But since the future that involved the missiles hadn't happened when we first went to CotD it was still fine, if moon took place in the past.

Its a paradox affect, a time line split if you will. We have the time line in which CotD happens and it is fine, and then the new time line where the missiles are launched and we have the Tranzit story arc.

Ahhhh I see your point. However this still doesn't explain the fact that Moon takes place during Nuketown Zombies and we hear Marlton and the TranZit bus horn. And also there is a lot of dust (fog) hanging around on TranZit. Most likely dust from the rockets which recently hit. Perhaps Moon does take place during Nuketown Zombies. I've been bouncing this theory around a lot.

I'd just like to reboot this post with something I figured out. Okay so following this theory we see that the COTD crew are in the Comic Book Story. However the O4 and the N4 are also in this Comic Book Story. Okay so most of us have completed the moon Easter egg and saw those three missiles hit Earth completely obliterating its surface. There are many theory's that the Moon Easter egg took place between 1950 and 1980. But the new Tranzit map as well as Die Rise are said to take place in 2025 or somewhere near that year. However the map Call of the Dead takes place in 2011. But the map isn't destroyed? If Moon took place between 1950 or 1980 and we launched the missiles that blew up the Earth then Call of the Dead would have never took place. So then why did we play Call of the Dead without having fog or lava everywhere? Well I have two theories about this.

Okay so we have these two storylines right? The first being the Comic Book Story the next being the Real Life Story. In your theory you say the COTD crew are in the Comic Book Story. But if this was true then why wasn't the map obliterated? I'm thinking that COTD takes place in the Real Life Story. Why? Because we play as four, real life actors. The O4 'ripped space time back tracing them to the future' or rather, the future that happens in the Real Life Story.

My next theory still involves these two storylines. However in this theory I am going to play around with the actual known zombie storyline. What if Moon takes place after 2011? It would make sense as when while we try to survive Nuketown Zombies we hear and even see the Moon easter egg take place. Even when we die on Nuketown Zombies we see the missile crash into Earth. Now here's the confusing part. In this map we hear the Tranzit bus horn and also Marlton speaking. This proves that Moon, Nuketown, and Tranzit all occur at roughly the same time period. So perhaps we teleport from Shangri La to No Mans Land and from there teleport into the future on Moon.

The second theory is quite confusing and I apologise (I only just thought it up). Please reply with what you think about this. Experience out!

haha thanks Experience, it's always good to get feedback. If you take a look at page 1, you'll see that myself and MMX had some very in-depth discussions regarding how possible this all is. Many of the things you touched on were included in our conversations.

My last argument is that of the zombies themselves. How would they move the entire mountain range, jungle, river, and temple without being attacked by the zombies that inhabit the dark tunnels in Shangri La.

The zombies are being controlled by Samantha, who is exclusively sending them after Richtofen. The history of the COD Zombie's version of Shangri-La is still up to debate IMO - but this is how I sum it up:

- Shangri-La is connected to the hollow earth theory, and the civilization of the Vrill-ya. It is located in Central West Asia.

- the Vrill-ya and the people of Shangri-La lived alongside each other. The villagers mined unradiated 115 for the Vrill-Ya, and the Vrill-Ya in turn gave the villagers enlightenment, along with positive attributes associated with unradiated 115.

- Once all the 115 was mined, the site was to be completely moved. The Vrill-Ya used their technology to make the Shangri-La temple and surrounding area somewhat of a flying Vimana, it was always meant to travel through time & space.

- Richtofen & Maxis completed the first truly working teleporter (and by truly working, I mean - it could teleport someone farther then behind the next wall). Richtofen was the test subject, and he was teleported from Der Riese all the way to the cavern under what would be Griffen station on the moon (there was oxygen somehow stored in the cavern).

- This is the same cavern that housed the MPD, and upon touching the pyramid - Richtofen would never be the same. It bestowed another presence into his brain, an alien, demonic presence. This presence knew exactly where it needed to go, and what it needed to do.

- Possessed Richtofen (as he is from now) then was able to use the MPD to transport himself to Shangri-La, and this is where my own interpretation starts to really kick in. The entity inside of Richtofen is basically related to the Vrill-Ya somehow. Whether it was an exiled member of their community, or just perhaps just an alien with a common lineage - EITHER WAY, it wants revenge. It visited Shangri-La to essentially tell all the other Vrill-Ya that they are doomed, and he'll be coming back with an army.

- Several days later, Richtofen strolls back into Der Riese as if nothing happened. From here, there is no radio catalogued evidence that Richtofen returned to Shangri-La - but for the sake of this theory, he did return with 115 weapons and completely eradicated the Vrill-Ya. He then enslaved the villager workforce, and upon forcing them to keep mining 115 - he also had them radiate it (which in turn is what led to them all dying out). Unradiated 115 = potential positive properties, radiated 115 = more powerful but cancerous.

*this is when my theory happens*

So, the zombies aren't there until the 04 was there. Which would make Shangri-La perfectly explorable until the O4 were teleported there, and Sam started re-animating the corpses.

Hmmm. You make a strong argument but I'm still not entirely convinced that Shangri La was moved to Nevada. I believe it is located in the Himalayas. Maybe the O4 found an abandoned MDT and used it to teleport to the Nevada base in NML. I assume Richthofen knew about the MDT at Groome Lake and knew it would take him to the Moon. Good work anyway on this thread. You brought up some interesting ideas. :D

One could argue that (within the isolated, topsy-turvy) universe of zombies, all of the historical events and characters were entirely made up. The weasel fabricated all of the characters, who (by an obvious stretch from treyarch) hold parallels to real life people.

This would account for several anachronisms in the story relative to historical events. For example certain characters presumed KIA (Kennedy, the CotD crew, etc.) didn't actually die at the times or locations shown in-game. This can be explained by the fact that the weasel is just making up a story. The fact that his "original" characters are all real historical figures from the future (relative to him) can be explained in 2 ways IMO:

1. Time Travel. Weasel knows the future, and is basing his comic off of real events and characters. He could have somehow time-traveled to the future and learned there what happens in the past (relatively still his future.) like in Back to the future part 2.

2. Omnipotence. He doesn't know the future. He is creating the future. His comics could be like prophecies, and the future events depicted in them occur decades after they are originally written.

That second one is pretty psychedelic. Those are just 2 dramatic ideas that occured to me.

I don't necessarily agree with this idea because of how far you have to venture to secure the loopholes. However its an awesome idea and i want to help it as best i can!

Thanks EJ. We should have a Skype brainstorming session tomorrow. We're missing something here. I can feel it.

Do you think maybe Al has voices in his head and they tell him what to write and draw in his comic book? Perhaps whatever he writes and draws becomes that persons fate. That's probably why he drew an escape plan and in the comic book and in the game we are able to get off the island. But whoever controls the zombies (most likely Lucifer) doesn't want the mobsters to escape and let Weasel live. If Weasel lives, then he has the ability to do whatever he wants with the world. He would be able to shape history just by creating a drawing in this comic book. Lucifer wants the cycle to continue and end up with the death of the Weasel so he strikes the plane down and they land in the bridge. After they land on the bridge the mobsters still end up being sentenced to death.

Although this is a very good theory there are many problems holding this theory down. For one. How could an entire mountain range, jungle and constant water source be simply "moved" from one location to another. It's just not possible. Yes I understand that the storyline is full of rule breaking of physics but you simply can not move an entire mountain range without there being problems. And yes I say mountain range because its not just one mountain. It's many. Secondly the river/reservoir . How is it still flowing after it has been moved away from its original water source. And then there is our trapped friends Brock and Gary. The radio logs state that they have traversed miles through dense jungle to reach the temple. How could the jungle around Shangri La be moved. It's hundreds if not thousands of square miles big. My last argument is that of the zombies themselves. How would they move the entire mountain range, jungle, river, and temple without being attacked by the zombies that inhabit the dark tunnels in Shangri La. This theory seems very far fetched as there are just to many problems with it. Don't get me wrong it's a great idea. It's just impossible.

It's not a large loophole if you really want to consider that the history of the comic books never actually occur in the Real Life Story. So in that "path", there were no such characters as the O4, FIVE crew, CotD crew, or N4. They are not real in that world. The comic book to us is realistic because of the events based around everything that encompasses it. Outside of the comic book, it is all fictional to whoever is reading/creating it. But that's the only case in which it could happen.

Maybe there are alternate realities? For example one reality is the Comic Book Story while there is an other reality. This being the Real Life Story. I'm guessing the COTD crew as well as the Five crew (being real humans) are in the Comic Book Story but their real beings are trapped in the Real Life Story.That's why they are in the Comic Book Story. But that still doesn't explain why The Weasel had access to postcards and movie advertisements from nearly 80 years in the future.

If the N4 are part of the Comic Book Story then how do you explain the photos in the loading screens?

Holy crap this is an awesome theory. I never thought of it this way. But how do you explain the photos in the loading screens for Tranzit and the Tranzit maps? Aren't the N4 part of the Comic Book Story?