nayrcraig

It's awesome to see the site back up.

Congrats to everyone who was working on it and thank you for bringing it back.

In Kino, Maxis was working on the teleporter technology which possibly the Russians as the thundergun is Russian yet called DG3 pre patch. Kino is in fact a bigger key than ever now, we know Samantha's mother died, we know Edwards parents died and Maxis took him in.

Wat? ._.

What IRurG is saying is that in kino maxis was working on the teleporter, Kino is where planned to present the teleporter to his "higher ups" (Imagine him showing the teleporter on stage, then entering it, diss spearing and walking in the doors behinds the crowd. It explains the teleported very short range, it was simply a prototype. Maxis also worked on the thunder gun in kino, suggested by a quote from rictofen when getting it from the box, the mention of the Russian is because of the Russian writing on the gun, suggesting the Russians played apart in development. It was proven that Sam mom died in moon radios and proven that maxis took ric in after his parents death is proven by the coded notes in origins

This brings tingles down my back now, you see in Kino there is whats called a difference engine hooked up to the teleporters, and above the difference engine is Aether Projectionist

...Wat?? @_@

The difference engine is the large machines on the stage with the disks with lots of numbers on them in it, it was missed by a lot of people, the aether projectionist is written in illuminate, as explained below

For those of you who dont know thats AETHER in illuminati code, was very popular back in the day

Anyway this is a stating its projecting into the aether, The difference engine is a complex calculator in a simplest term, and was also the subject of a book about ALTERNATE realities.

Having the new information it could be safe to say that either

1. Maxis was trying to find Samantha's mum in an alternate reality (or a different past) and in turn bring back Richtofens parents for obvious reasons. (Please NOTE that a woman is heard calling Samantha from downstairs just like Maxis while you are in the GOOD Samantha's room)

Wat??? ._.

I'm not 100% on this one my self as I really don't understand the difference engine much but I believe he is trying to say that maxis is trying to use the difference engine to power the Teleporter to acces different realities, maxis was trying to find a reality where his sam's mother did not die and ric's parents were still alive so he could bring them into this reality or bring Sam and Ric to that reality. His stuff in brackets was simply about some EE that could be found in kino

I want to get back to Origins, in which Maxis has had his head chopped open Etc which we know couldnt happen because Maxis went on to create Group 935 with Richtofen (plus Samantha mentions wishing the heroes in her story were real proving its just a game to TELL a story, not to be confused with a story to PLAY a game)

Wat...??

I fixed the typos but I think that one might be the tiredness talking, I don't really get it myself

I have had the same 2 controllers for nearly 3 years now, but for quite a while they have both had very different problems, on on the RB button doesn't work and on the other everything works perfectly but you can't use a mic with it.

I have refused to get a new controllers because these two problems have never bothered me much, I use one for online and one for playing by myself, and I'm getting a PC soon so I am happy I have managed to keep the same 2 controllers since I got my xbox, microphones are my main problem, I'm on my 5th and I finally got a wireless on witch works great

Hello Craig, welcome to the site

I'm also from the UK so nice to see more guys from over here, zombies is a great game for having fun and chilling out so I hope you are enjoying it

I love listening to the zombie songs so it eoulf be great for me to have them all in one place, currently I am just listening to a video wit all the songs up to moon in a row, it would be nice to chose what I listen to after each song :)

Alright I think I get it better now, sorry about all the questions like that, I stated to feel like I was interragating you I just want to believe this idea is as airtight as you do if I am to believe it and esspecially if you are going to incorporate it in to you trilogy thread,

Since I now think I understand it and my point doesn't seem particularly valid any more I'll leave any further disscusion on this topic to when you are writing it for the trilogy thread. There are still lots of other things to disscus

So I'm guessing you believe when Sam decides to return to being a girl then you don't believe that she changed reality during the white flash, but that she has been loving in the world a little while and is now telling the story of origins. Ok I can get that. I'll have to think about this a little more then

Can you try to word this another way?

Sure, that is a little unclear and I'm sure the typos don't help (I'm on a mobile device )

Maybe if I phrase it as another question it would make more sense, when Sam choses to go back to being a normal girl at what point in time does she chose to become human again?

(For example is it during the white flash after the game over screen, she creates the world and immediately appears talking the story to Eddie (but this wouldn't work because of the point I brought up)

If the bit in brackets doesn't make sense then ignore it and just answer the question, what I am trying to say just about makes sense in my head so it is hard to type it out

To try and help me understand this multiple time line thing I have a few questions.

1.Is the point in witch Sam decides to become a normal girl the point when the loop is created?

2. If so, when does she archive the power to to chose her reality

1. When we free her from Agartha.

2. When we free her from Agartha. she starts the cycle over, Group 935 forms in WW2, Nacht through Buried happens, then Origins happens, we free Samantha, cycle starts over, etc.

I'll assume they are the answers, and correct us if we are wrong MMX.

So I'm guessing you believe when Sam decides to return to being a girl then you don't believe that she changed reality during the white flash, but that she has been loving in the world a little while and is now telling the story of origins. Ok I can get that. I'll have to think about this a little more then

To try and help me understand this multiple time line thing I have a few questions.

1.Is the point in witch Sam decides to become a normal girl the point when the loop is created?

2. If so, when does she archive the power to to chose her reality

@MMX

This is a fantastic sounding theory and I admire the work put into it, but unfortunately I do have a problem with it, two things I have noticed really don't add up,

Firstly, I believe the opening lines of the intro to be said in the same setting of the ending scene, Sam talking to Eddie in her room, but she cannot be saying that if she gained the power to create the setting the the room after the events of origins. In my mind Sam is telling Eddie everything that happens in origins, from her speaking the opening lines to Eddie telling her she got it all wrong and unless I'm misinterpertating it, that cannot happen using your theory

That can surely happen. In the new timeline, everything that was to Samantha is nothing a but a toy game. So she does in fact tell Eddy about Origins, either secretly knowing, or blissfully unaware, that the events actually transpired.

But from what I understand is that in your theory at the end if origins Sam gains full power, becomes "GOD" and choses to become a normal girl who is just telling a story to her friend/brother Eddie. The reason that doesn't work for me is that se begins telling the story before origins begins.

the war machine is my least favorite gun, probable because I don't use Grenada much anyway but TBH I have never actually P-A-Ped it so I'll have to try that

TranZit already has an EE with an ending there is no need for any other ending to be added, primarily because it has never been done before and Treyarch have never said they plan on doing it and secondly because it would be hard to do without messing with the story in all of the other maps.

The message from Treyarch could simple be talking about MOTD and origins

No

Do you like the origins map EE song?

@Delta

You are claiming confusion of the actions of people who want the story to be real but yet disagree with MMX's theory, well I'll try to explain. I personally want the story to be real but first and foremost I want the story to suit the facts we are given, if the facts suggest the story isn't real (witch I'm not saying they are just giving an example) then I will have to believe it is not real, in regards to MMX's post, yes he gives a solution that allows the story to remain reality but if that solution contradicts facts (witch I believe it does and will explain in a minute) then I must reluctantly point out the flaws I see. Just because I disagree with his idea doesn't mean that I believe the story is all made up I just believe I personally need a different explanation.

@IRurG

I believe some of the things you are bringing up, Treyarch themselves have forgot, they were options they created but chose not to follow up, but just because they forgot about them doesn't mean we have to, it is great to see your ideas but it is also possible to understand the current story without knowledge of certain aspects as Treyarch did not make them necessary in the recent maps. I think the best thing to do here is agree to disagree and you can discus your ideas further at a different time.

@MMX

This is a fantastic sounding theory and I admire the work put into it, but unfortunately I do have a problem with it, two things I have noticed really don't add up,

Firstly, I believe the opening lines of the intro to be said in the same setting of the ending scene, Sam talking to Eddie in her room, but she cannot be saying that if she gained the power to create the setting the the room after the events of origins. In my mind Sam is telling Eddie everything that happens in origins, from her speaking the opening lines to Eddie telling her she got it all wrong and unless I'm misinterpertating it, that cannot happen using your theory

GTA look awesome, gonna be getting it for 360 and then also getting the PC port when it comes out.

I missed 3 and 4 so I haven't played GTA since the ps2 game, although I played and love red dead

The zombies that spawn from the generators cannot be used for anything, and barely give points due to the fact that you can get an unlimited spawn of the on round 1.

I wonder if Treyarch knew they would be abused or had to Nerf them completely during play testing

Again, there is no solid proof of that. Eddie is a common nickname for Edward. There are no other indications, other than that they both prefer blue eyed zombies. And we all know, blue eyes represents superiority to the Nazis, so it makes sense that Eddie shares the same thought, since he is German (there's the American accent, but that's a small error on Treyarch's part).

As far as we know, Eddie only represents Richtofen when playing with Samantha. But he is NOT the actual Richtofen. Not until someone finds a clear piece of evidence somewhere stating that this boy's full name is Edward Richtofen. So for now, Eddie is just Eddie.

Although there is no solid proof that Eddie is Richtofen, the fact that there are two people playing/controlling a game of zombie called Samantha and Edward, with Edward preferring blue eyes, is enough to prove it to me.

The thing I am concentrating on is how does it fit in logical and what sam means by "A plan"

Awesome quick guide, Really clear and to the point

Eddie is not Richtofen?!?!? Why would he be saying blue eyes are better and his name is Eddie? You are blindly following a company who managed to turn a potentially great story into crap.

well I'm enjoying the journey so whats the problem?

Maxis and Richtofen never mentioned a body swap or Maxis getting infected with 115 in previous radios / EE. Some people say "Eddie" is Richtofen, why is he American and if that's the case why is Maxis alive? How would he have survived being infected with 115? The toy figurines of the O4 and N4. To give treyarch the benefit of the doubt at this point is wreck less IMO. I have stood by them through the while storyline. I can't believe in their story telling abilities any longer. The MPD, vril ya references, there are never ending plot lines that could have been used and the copped out using a kids imagination.

Sad really.

Ok again people are stressing too much on the cut scene, il put it simply

If Samantha is playing zombies with Edward aka Richtofen then Richtofen Was NOT part of origins and is there just for our Benefit as a FORTH playable character, Maxis head was not chopped open by Richtofen at all, that is just Samantha playing, kinda obvious with Maxis being alive in the end sequence right? And Richtofen being a teenager. Kinda proves the ending is just an homage to the zombie story so far...

how can ric not be part of origins? he is mention in everything, and it is fundamental to the EE that he puts maxis in the quad-rotor, maybe origins is all part of the "Game" but if so then Richthofen is still present in the game

gonna try to make a list of all the things in the cut-scene that have been seen before in other maps or are a reference to our story

eclipse outside

Tranzit bus

MOTD zombie

Buried zombie

Panzer zombie

Ascension rocket

Toys of the 04 excluding tank (possibly shown through POV of the tank figure)

Jug bottle

MOTD candels

MOTD poster (Escape the Tomb)

zombie in space suit

manikin

Teddy bear

gramophone playing song

Origins giant robot

MP40 wall drawing

W@W style radio

Tallies on bed post showing Eddie:10 Sam:20

monkey bomb

Toy box with "?"

stones from shangri-la

Golden Rod plus focusing stone

Bow

Plane similar to one crashed in nach opening

Top of P-A-P housing form der riese

935 symbol without the numbers

I can't recognize/make out the posters on the walls so if anyone can add them that would be great

I heard you need to defeat about 8 Big Daddies after you throw a Maxis Drone around that spot...

Yep, I think 2 spawn per person cause with 2 people you get 4

She also shows great sympathy to takeo and seems to know a lot about his family and way of life

Nice, didn't know about this. I wonder if this sympathy she shows to our characters is real or just faked to persuade them.

While on the subject, I'm not really that fond of her new voice to be honest, it's not the voice per se but how she delivers her lines. She sounds almost, happy, when she speaks about the gateway and Agartha. It feels unnatural to me. Could be just bad voice acting though.

I actually really like he voice when talking to the car actress directly in zombie blood, but I agree with you on here other lines, her tone seems a little of.

I wanna try to hear what she had to say to Dempsey and especially ric, currently I am not sure on the sincerity of her comments, I think her reaction to the completion of the EE will help me to decide

Anybody know where we throw the Napalm Strike in order to get the robot to break the seal?

This is one tough EE. Kinda glad really.

You must throw it on the cracked ground behinds generator 5, but you must push the button, that spears after placing all the staffs in there place, just before someone else throws the beacon, unsure if this step is possible solo

Nice nice! This also explains how Origin-Samantha knows the backstory of our Four Heroes.

(She comments about Nikolai being betrayed and pushed to the frontlines) something along these lines. She does this whenever you get Zombieblood, trying to persuade our Heroes to do her bidding I assume.

She also shows great sympathy to takeo and seems to know a lot about his family and way of life