Dub Zee

I want check from zombie stats and ranking system!

http://community.activision.com/thread/ ... iDjHBsiPAw

Posted before Black Ops :?

Lol i remember reading that post

I also remember someone steing it and re posting it as there own, can never beat the original though

Checks all round Treyarch pay up

Witness the origins of Group 935, as an ancient Evil is unleashed upon the battlefields of WW1

No mention of alternate reality

"An alternate-reality Dieselpunk Zombies experience that transports players to the undead-infested trenches of a World War I battlefield."

I know about the web description, i meant in the in game description, sorry i should have been specific

In my opinion what i would consider this believable is

A refence to peter somehow in the video, or Samantha's mum / or Sophia maybe? Some secret message written in the Illuminati code used in W@W maps? A Nova Zombie from Kino, or even one of the Gknova canisters, but no

Physical items are ALL majority Black Ops 2 references, And a select few Black Ops 1 items, the rocket and the spaceman which may or may not actually be a mini version of the silver back gorilla from DoA

The items they picked for an Prequel story are all wrong from a story point of view

Richtofen looks wait *cough*

Eddie looks at the Richtofen play piece in disappointment about not getting his turn, clearly wanting to be him in THE GAME. Which would fit right so erm i get that bit

Why is Samantha NOT playing as the play piece Samantha from say Moon?? if that is in the cinematic then i could believe this nonsense as a alternate reality / make believe story

But shes not, shes playing with Tank Demsey as her piece.

Secondy i dont see anything directly linked to pre Black Ops maps either other than the group 935 logo without the 935

Believe me i do get where your theory is coming from, however its even more full of holes than the rest, its just not consistent enough to be real.

However, the story has been consistant since the original W@W maps, this is something that cannot be dismissed regardless of this cinematic ending

W@W

Ununpentium

Google it :)

Again, there is no solid proof of that. Eddie is a common nickname for Edward. There are no other indications, other than that they both prefer blue eyed zombies. And we all know, blue eyes represents superiority to the Nazis, so it makes sense that Eddie shares the same thought, since he is German (there's the American accent, but that's a small error on Treyarch's part).

As far as we know, Eddie only represents Richtofen when playing with Samantha. But he is NOT the actual Richtofen. Not until someone finds a clear piece of evidence somewhere stating that this boy's full name is Edward Richtofen. So for now, Eddie is just Eddie.

Although there is no solid proof that Eddie is Richtofen, the fact that there are two people playing/controlling a game of zombie called Samantha and Edward, with Edward preferring blue eyes, is enough to prove it to me.

The thing I am concentrating on is how does it fit in logical and what sam means by "A plan"

I refer back to Der Riese description mate -

"The Giant is rising. Face the might of the Nazi Zombies in their heartland. This is where it all began. This is where the MASTER PLAN took shape. Is this where it all ends?"

Considering On MOON she calls Richtofen Uncle Edward, Edward, Eddie and Richtofen, EDDIE being the key, also from Verruckt and Der Riese EDDY and EDDIE is a liar, gives us the very clear link between the two

I've also provided enough evidence for it to be possible that Samantha, Edward and Ludvig are all related.

AS FOR people's not believing i call into question item 2. The truth is right in front of you (anyone remember that qoute?)

Eddie is a short nick name Samantha gives Eddie when they were younger

As on the side of the bed post shorted names Eddie and SAM.

The zombies also scream SAM and Richtofen calls her Sam and not Samantha in a couple of character qoutes in shangri la and Moon

I really dont get people's ideas thinking Eddie is someone else or Richtofen is eddies personification in the "game"

Especially as Samantha is seen playing as Dempsey

Alternate reality my bottom.

Im pretty sure the earth hasn't blown up and zombies have destroyed whats left of humanity? Or have i missed something?

The whole point of Zombies is Treyarch use real world events in there story as an alternate reality to begin with!

So an alternate reality of and alternate reality is actually in fact....reality?

Balderdash

EDIT: map description in game for Origins is as follows

Witness the origins of Group 935, as an ancient Evil is unleashed upon the battlefields of WW1

No mention of alternate reality

Eddie is not Richtofen?!?!? Why would he be saying blue eyes are better and his name is Eddie? You are blindly following a company who managed to turn a potentially great story into crap.

So if my name was Eddie and I prefer blue eyed zombies, am I Richtofen too? Come on, you need more solid proof than a common name and personal taste.

I posted this on Fatedtitans post

origins Intro - Dr Edward Richtofen (and Dr ludvig Maxis)

Origins outro - Edward (Refered to by Samantha)

Der Riese - Eddy is a Liar - Teddy is a Liar. Edward (Refered to by Maxis in the Radio) Ed wants your Head! (Richtofen quote)

Moon - Uncle Edward (Samantha quote) Eddie im going to kill you (Samantha's quote while in Richtofens body) Next time, Uncle Edward will give you stronger legs! Edward! Give them stronger legs! (Samantha's quote)

"Drink it Eddy! You liar! (Samantha qoute)

These are just a few mentions of Edward, eddy, Edward and all directed at Richtofen.

There has been no other mention either in blops terminal files nor in all the maps to indicate there is an Eddie that is not Edward Richtofen

And in W@W i was one of the few who argued against Edward/Eddie being Richtofen

There's no proof that Treyarch took that idea from you... They could've taken it from some other dude who came up with the same idea

I posted that on the official call of duty zombie forums back in 2011....

In all honesty i was joking though lol, what i did find interesting is how many people were against the idea back then, yet now grief is a great game mode lol, i even put up a petition just after that thread and only got a few people to sign it.

The world wasnt ready for grief at that time lol

So glad Treyarch finally put it in though

If it was going to be left to Die, Moon would of been the obvious choice and the perfect ending, the earth is blown up, GG Maxis you win.

Not come out with the overly drivel worthy new characters from out of no where wanting to mend a "RIFT" THEN end it by showing you the Begining of it all....WTF is that???? What happened to Buried?? This isn't some Uwe Boll piece of rubbish, although Call of the Dead could come close lol

This is Treyarchs Zombies, The most indepth cryptic game this generation .

I don't buy it for a second

And if by some sad chance its true, Treyarch needs to Quit Life as they have ruin the one thing that made them better than infinity ward

Busy writing up a huge post for origins for everyone and decided to go through a time warp and head back to the old forums and came across a old thread i completey forgot about from 2011 giving the idea for competitive zombies mode (Now called Grief)

http://www.callofduty.com/thread/100416731#.UiDCkaa9LYU

So who do i talk to about my designers fee im over due? Lol

@IRurg, I DEFINITELY SEE YOUR POINT HERE, but if I may... Treyarch has already made this games story way too complicated compared to even lost in my opinion, We neared the end of Bo2 with even more questions than an end of a season of lost lol, *love the shows ending btw* but to me there was too many little EE and its all in a disarray and members of the community are always frantically trying to connect it to real world things and treyarch never confirms any of it, whereas lost, these things are slowly confirmed to be fact, but in 5 years what has treyarch confirmed? To me this was only ever meant to be tons of little EE with a small underlying story with a plot twist for good measure.

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hold on hoping Treyarch is going to continue the story, im not giving my theories hoping that it will somehow keep zombies alive for the next game either, if its the end then its the end.

I also agree with you a out the Easter Eggs. I've never had more fun in zombies than in W@W, and i can honestly say some of my best theories came from W@W zombie maps that proved to be real.

We only needed small Easter eggs, and we dug and dug and dug up so many different scenarios and we were HAPPY!

None of this rubbish now with youtube fanboys all trying to out do each other, having youtubers stealing other people's ideas and posting them on youtube claiming them as their own finds. We truly helped each other either directly or through often fierce debates (im talking to you CC lol) and ive met some great friends who share my love for zombies, some of them right here from the early days like Tac and Nayarc.

Zombies has lost that core community spirit and it is now a former shell of itself. Because of the over extravagant Easter eggs the story itself has become second place to achievements and THAT is what will kill Zombies.

I have said it before and il say it again, i miss the old days where WE the community shaped its future.

I will ask this if i may... When has ANYTHING been as simple as face value in the nazi zombie story? Im not talking people who only played black ops 1 and 2 zombies either, i mean EVERYTHING

From the numbers being spoken out loud in verruckts power room that people say is the Show "LOST" numbers that aren't actually the same numbers despite what people may believe, to the Shi No Numa is the first time we meet the original 4 and they just teleport in out of thin air, then manage to go from Japan to Central Germany.

Nothing has every been that simple and Treyarch take real world events and mold them around nazi zombie story lines, there is no way anyone could honestly tell me that Treyarch have out that video there just to GIVE US THE ANSWERS

Saying its all just fun and games (even if going by my idea that they are in Argatha and manipulating events through that, Treyarch STILL wouldn't just give it up like that, It goes against everything they have done thus far and i refuse to accept that they would do something so bad to the zombie community

I posted this theory i. Another thread but im starting to think more in it now

Ok let me put it this way then, People including myself believe origins is at the start of WW2 retelling a tale of her Father etc etc.

But what if its not during the start of WW2 at all.

What if it is the End of Buried? Maxis is looking for his daughter correct? Maxis clearly must be somewhere in the Aether too, Richtofen is in the Aether controlling the zombies, So all 3 are in different time space dimensions or floating a out Argatha as the story hits the end of Black Ops 2....

What if the End sequence is All three in The Aether and THAT is what the end sequence is about, THAT right there is what would be the reason for all the play sets in the end sequence. And would feature everything from past maps as it already has happened

Before you jump down my throat, in Kino the Aether Projectionist Show Samantha's room proving that it IS possible.

Maybe Being in Argartha makes you godlike....hmmm gods...

Where have we seen that before

Thor, Odin and Freya

Maxis, Richtofen and Samantha

Two males 1 Female, coincidence? I Think not...Considering the other Norse gods that could have be used

origins Intro - Dr Edward Richtofen (and Dr ludvig Maxis)

Origins outro - Edward (Refered to by Samantha)

Der Riese - Eddy is a Liar - Teddy is a Liar. Edward (Refered to by Maxis in the Radio) Ed wants your Head! (Richtofen quote)

Moon - Uncle Edward (Samantha quote) Eddie im going to kill you (Samantha's quote while in Richtofens body) Next time, Uncle Edward will give you stronger legs! Edward! Give them stronger legs! (Samantha's quote)

"Drink it Eddy! You liar! (Samantha qoute)

These are just a few mentions of Edward, eddy, Edward and all directed at Richtofen.

Pretty obvious to me

What's pretty obvious to you? That Eddie represents Richtofen or you believe Edward IS Richtofen, meaning he was directly involved in the events of this entire series? If its the first one then of courses; I don't think many are denying there's an obvious connection. If its the second one well that's debateable, seeing as how there would have to be more time fluxes and certain mind wipes to accomadate that Eddie is the actual person that was directly physically involved in all of these events.

Seeing as how the room is littered with information that hasn't come to pass yet, it's seeming more likely that the children had already invested some time in putting these stories together and it seems unlikely that Richtofen reverts in age to play a simple doll game with Sam basically reminiscing of their adventures together or that he forgets it all in the later maps.

Ok let me put it this way then, People including myself believe origins is at the start of WW2 retelling a tale of her Father etc etc.

But what if its not during the start of WW2 at all.

What if it is the End of Buried? Maxis is looking for his daughter correct? Maxis clearly must be somewhere in the Aether too, Richtofen is in the Aether controlling the zombies, So all 3 are in different time space dimensions or floating a out Argatha as the story hits the end of Black Ops 2....

What if the End sequence is All three in The Aether and THAT is what the end sequence is about, THAT right there is what would be the reason for all the play sets in the end sequence. And would feature everything from past maps as it already has happened

Before you jump down my throat, in Kino the Aether Projectionist Show Samantha's room proving that it IS possible.

Maybe Being in Argartha makes you godlike....hmmm gods...

Where have we seen that before

Thor, Odin and Freya

Maxis, Richtofen and Samantha

Two males 1 Female, coincidence? I Think not...Considering the other Norse gods that could have be used

origins Intro - Dr Edward Richtofen (and Dr ludvig Maxis)

Origins outro - Edward (Refered to by Samantha)

Der Riese - Eddy is a Liar - Teddy is a Liar. Edward (Refered to by Maxis in the Radio) Ed wants your Head! (Richtofen quote)

Moon - Uncle Edward (Samantha quote) Eddie im going to kill you (Samantha's quote while in Richtofens body) Next time, Uncle Edward will give you stronger legs! Edward! Give them stronger legs! (Samantha's quote)

"Drink it Eddy! You liar! (Samantha qoute)

These are just a few mentions of Edward, eddy, Edward and all directed at Richtofen.

Pretty obvious to me

Maxis and Richtofen never mentioned a body swap or Maxis getting infected with 115 in previous radios / EE. Some people say "Eddie" is Richtofen, why is he American and if that's the case why is Maxis alive? How would he have survived being infected with 115? The toy figurines of the O4 and N4. To give treyarch the benefit of the doubt at this point is wreck less IMO. I have stood by them through the while storyline. I can't believe in their story telling abilities any longer. The MPD, vril ya references, there are never ending plot lines that could have been used and the copped out using a kids imagination.

Sad really.

Ok again people are stressing too much on the cut scene, il put it simply

If Samantha is playing zombies with Edward aka Richtofen then Richtofen Was NOT part of origins and is there just for our Benefit as a FORTH playable character, Maxis head was not chopped open by Richtofen at all, that is just Samantha playing, kinda obvious with Maxis being alive in the end sequence right? And Richtofen being a teenager. Kinda proves the ending is just an homage to the zombie story so far...

Treyarch OFFICIALLY states Nacht Der Untoten is the 2nd zombie outbreak

Placing Origins as the first as the name suggests

Samantha mentions Maxis having a plan and i draw everyones attention to something people seem to have forgot

Der Riese description "This is where it all began. This is where the MASTER PLAN took shape. Is this where it all ends?"

Referring back to the plan.

This alone links it altogether, I have been into the Zombie Story since W@W release and strongly believe Treyarch have a plan themselves and always have, Treyarch give us the clues and alwAys give us riddles, origins is one such riddle

Do NOT lose faith in Treyarch as there is alot more to this than face value, the ending is just a distraction

There is the possibility that taking Der Riese, Kino and moon into consideration that when the portal to the Aether/ Argatha is something completely different. I dont personally want to believe this theory but it too has merit.

We have gone forward in time, and back in Time, items can come through time from the Aether powered mystery boxes as we know, taking my theory that in Origins it's Samantha's voice being projected through the Aether to Maxis in 1918 (long before he had Samantha) means that every map we have played on is a parallel universe which Crop Circles mentioned way back in W@W / Black ops 1 days.

The Plan could be setting up Der Riese, however once the Aether was unlocked so were the different dimensions, CoTD is prime example of this, Moon ending Also proves this theory.

Different dimensions when Samantha, Maxis AND Richtofen went through the Aether creating The 3 different dimensions, 3...that number appears throught the zombies story line remember?

The rift could well be the RIFT in the time space dimensions, Each of the 3 characters may well be in there own Universe and that is why the zombies story has been so hard to pin down

Think of the 2 different outcomes in Buried, Yet the Rift is always been there but only in Black ops 2 is when you are told to mend it.

Each of the 3 dimensions are seeping into each other linking everything through Argatha and points to this, why did the characters not remember anything after meeting in Origins? Simply put they are in a different Dimension, As Maxis and Samantha and Richtofen have all been through proved by radios.

Would also be why Origins Fluffy is NOT a German shepherd but in a diffent dimension Fluffy is

Theres of more linking the tri dimension theory and i could list them all, but i just wanted to put this perspective on the matter

Samantha "Playing Zombies" is playing with W@W original 4 and is holding Tank Dempsey, there are NOT Orgins play set or blops2 play set, its specifically W@W This is Key.

Incorrect. After the camera pans away from her face we see a zombie from MotD and from Buried.

This timeline could still work, though, because she promises Eddie that he'd get his turn tomorrow. So, it's possible that tomorrow means BO:2, Eddie is in control, gives the zombies blue eyes, and ends up playing with the zombies from MotD and Buried.

This is correct, however your point is a double edge sword, Buried AND Mob of the poop play sets are there BUT the characters Samantha is playing "as" are the W@W characters, The camera is not a camera at all, It is Tank Dempsey player model who happens to be Always Player 1 in W@W

in buried Samantha is NOT in charge of the zombies, Richtofen IS yet Samantha is playing with them, as i strongly believe Treyarch deliberately intends to throw people off by including ALL references towards previous maps

Its my strong belief that Origins did happen, however not like it did as we play through in Game, well at least NOT with Richtofen

Take away all play pieces in the End and we are left with huge clues

Richtofen Is there WITH Samantha While she is makes us play with RIchtofen as an Adult.

Maxis is there calling to Samantha and nothing is hinted that he is Dead or even been chopped up.

Air Raid sirens indicate WW2 settings which W@W and beyond is based.

Its coming up to a Full Moon (this is a huge indication and nod towards Der Riese.

Samantha says Maxis has a Plan.

If you eliminate all the possibilities, you are left with the probable, no matter how impossible it may seem at the time

@ Rissole- She said she would protect them forever, but then Maxis and Richtofens relationship ends up going bad. Maybe that is why she turned on him?

Going off what my theory, Samantha has been true to her word, she has and will protect them forever, at least Takeo, Tank and Nikolai.

The only one she wants to kill is Richtofen, and even then she still gives him Power drops etc to protect him too, maybe due to them being related

She only calls them Hero's. I think the O4 were put in their because of Sam's history with them all. By History I mean them trying to stop her in WaW and Black Ops. If its her view point I honestly believe things were changed in her image to try to tell a more better story to Eddy.

Purely Speculation tho.

I still don't understand how a little girl would know about 115 and Agartha.

Going against my own theory thread for a minute.

Maxis quotes keeping Samantha close ever since Samantha's mother died, and even brought her on base to a top secret R&D site known as Der Riese. As for the link between Richtofen is as follows so read carefully.

Richtofen quotes having a sister and tormenting her toys

Richtofen is Samantha's Uncle (Samantha's quote)

Samantha has a mum

Maxis is Samantha's Father.

Richtofen Says to Samantha YOUR Father in origins

Richtofen is alot younger than Maxis

This concludes to the possible following outcomes.

Richtofens mother is Samantha's Mother hence why Richtofen is having a sleep over with Maxis And Samantha and why Richtofen DOESN'T call Richtofen his dad but does for Samantha (and also Why Samantha calls him uncle) due to Richtofen refuses to acknowledge Maxis as a father figure (age gap is too great to be "friends" as Richtofen calls him) and would also explain why Maxis choose to Bring Richtofen into Project Der Riese despite his wishes against it (quotes)

The other outcome is

Richtofens Sister is Samantha's Mum Hence the Uncle part, Although Richtofen used to pick on his sister as a very you g boy, He Blames Maxis for her death and seeks revenge.

Quotes prove he didn't always hate Samantha, looking out for her, creating teddies for her and so the quotes continue, this may be due to the fact that Samantha Looks like Richtofens sister and wants to protect her

(Until that moment when everything changes)

I know things seem weird and my theory isn't completely sound YET, however i believe in a few reasons why she sounds different in Origins

1. Its possible that this is from Her perspective and this is how she chooses to remember/ make herself sound

2. Its just as she gets trapped in the Aether BEFORE Maxis tells her to "Kill everyone" and is her purist point in her time trapped in that pyramid.

3. Remember her room in Kino? Through the difference engine and the Aether projection maxis was able to see 2 Of Samantha's rooms, Both Good and Evil. She clearly doesn't sound Evil in Origins And doesn't mention her father being dead as is the case in WW2 and post WW2 maps we play on

4. Treyarch for what ever reason had to change the voice actor lol

I will say this, FLUFFY IS a German shepherd, however in origins she is NOT, i believe this is Samamnthas adaptation of what really happened, as i said Maxis was alive to work with Richtofen in WW2 and nothing suggests anything happened to him otherwise so i believe that part is just exaggerated from Samantha's point of view for her remembering / Playing

we all know from Treyarch that nothing is ever as it seems and i believe Origins is no different

EDIT: you made a good point seperating Argatha from the Aether, Maybe it holds the ying/yang key, 1 holds her good half, her good room, the other Holds her Evil side, the Evil room.

also as her for her talking a out her father in A past tense i believe that is for the Easter egg purposes only ATM due to some of the interactions with the different characters in Origins when You have Zombie Blood,

Also she does get rather short tempered with Nikolai at various points, we know she is not found of Nikolai but DOES favourite Takeo

As people have completed the Easter egg now i might aswell day it here, notice the near eclipse through Samantha's window in the end sequence? That plays a huge part.

Samantha is playing with figures as her way of telling you the origins of the story through her eyes, its WW2 era as you hear air raid sirens going off and Maxis says come to the basement (for shelter) and The Fluffy in the video isn't pregnant so its a good few years before Der Riese (maybe its now being built?)

The figure she is Holding is Tank Dempsey, ironically who is ALWAYS player 1 in W@W

Maxis knows about Takeo, Nikolai and Dempsey because they also got experimented on in Der riese (CoTD radios) so if Samantha is telling / playing a game story based on what her dad has told her, that too links the characters to Maxis and Origins

Samantha "Playing Zombies" is playing with W@W original 4 and is holding Tank Dempsey, there are NOT Orgins play set or blops2 play set, its specifically W@W This is Key.

All set pieces from previous maps are in the ending but they are there to throw you.

Buried ends on a cliffhanger with the RIFT not yet mended, only a side (ying or yang) is chosen, Origins IS NOT the end of zombies it is a nod to everything seen before and a true WTF did i just see ending to the current arc just like MOON,

I've got some more writing to do in regards to further on in the Easter egg and more zombie blood quotes for you guys shortly to back this theory up abit more so il get cracking on that now

EDIT 2. I refer back to Kino Der Toten (again)

In the good Samantha's room you Hear "Samantha" being called from what can only be guessed as her mother, this is replaced by Maxis in the end scene, this could be due to two things.

1. Samantha's Mum Died during that End sequence of Origins (Maxis talks a out Samantha's mums death in Der Riese) while they are in the basement

2.

Kinos Song 115 States "This House Is NOT my home" referring to either the illusion of Samantha's mum still being alive OR the fact her home was bombed in the aforementioned statement

Ok now bare with me.

I've been a zombie vet and played extensively since NDU like most people here and after looking at 2 radios in particular in Origins, i dont believe for a second the end sequence is at all what anyone thinks, allow me to explain.

First the radios

Dr. Ludvig Maxis: When 115 is channeled towards the ancient stones, an energy field appears to drag unknown objects into our reality. Is it possible that Element 115 is disrupting the space-time continuum itself? How else could an ancient box, created eons ago, bring forth weapons from different eras, perhaps including even our own future! Further study is needed to understand these powerful and unpredictable forces.

___________________________________________________________________________

Dr. Ludvig Maxis: The child's voice calls to me more frequently than ever. At first she spoke only of her imprisonment in a mystical realm known as Agartha. Now she claims to be my daughter, even though I know no such child exists! I fear my sanity may be slipping away from me.

___________________________________________________________________________

Provided by Tac (thanks for these)

Now if you take the 1st radio about items being brought FROM the future to 1918 AND based on the fact that we know from previous maps we can teleport through time, proves not all is as it seems.

The second radio isn't maxis hearing Samantha in Origins, He is Hearing Her through time itself, in 1918 Maxis doesn't have a daughter called Samantha, however the Maxis from Der Riese / Moon story DOES have a daughter who IS trapped in Argartha / Aether. He doesn't talk about Samantha UNTIL the portals start being opened, further backing up the theory he is hearing it through TIME.

This means origins takes place from SAMANTHA hearing stories from Maxis and is her telling the story of her father like the intro states.

This AND the fact buried finishes on a cliffhanger proves Origins is not what people believe it to be.

There is alot more to set the theory in stone as it were but it will have to wait till Origins is completed legitly as audio and the end sequence can easily be explained too.