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Went through all audio files.

The quote is "First ill find Sophia, then il find Teddy"

However all all the quotes theres a pattern

Samantha refers to herself as both Sam AND Samantha

She refers to Richtofen as "Richtofen, Uncle Richtofen, AND Teddy" Samantha's quote is about the wonder weapon in MOON "I wonder who built this, Daddy or Teddy"

I Refer back to Richtofens quite in nuketown 2025 zombies "Login TEDDY password IS A LIAR, IM NOT, thats why no one would guess it"

There are times when she is talking about the Teddy in different context however and this is where the theory can Differ

Along time ago i mentioned the Aether as purgatory, a world between worlds, neither living nor dead, and with Origins. Its once and for all proved Aether and Argatha are two seperate places.

In MOON Samantha mentions Gershs soul and how she should have destroyed it in Ascension.

Not long ago i came up with the idea and posted a out Maxis killing himself on moon, his soul gets trapped in The Aether via the absorption of the MPD and he is Able to become pure electrical current and that is why he is only able to talk to us via electrical devices in MOON and beyond.

We Freed Gershs soul from the Aether where Samantha is Trapped and he is released, possibly sent up to Argatha a higher plain, either way he was release as a glowing ball of light.

It is entirely possible that going by my expanded theory of Eddie is Richtofens Son, The Richtofen Senoir from Origins also got trapped like Samantha and Maxis in MOON, and could well be that TEDDY he got trapped in, after all the TEDDy travels through the Aether in The Mystery box.

It could also be the voices Maxis And Richtofens Son begin to hear when they start experimenting with element 115 in the W@W arc

People use moon as proof to further that Eddy and Richtofen are the same by using direct quotes from samantha caling richtofen teddy...sure there is a lot of proof for this..but think of the quotes where she talks about richtofen then says something about teddy...i wear i hear a quote where she says "Theres Richtofen, now lets find sophia and teddy"

BUT it still is proof, provided INGAME by Treyarch themselves

I believe Theres 3 types of people in the Treyarch zombie community

Ones who strictly use INGAME (supported by real worlds events) evidence to come up with theories

Ones who haven't found (or played) key things from the older maps and only basing theories off black ops 1 and 2

Ones who disregard the 100s of hidden pieces of hidden codes, 1000s of quotes and 16 previous maps and base their theories strictly on face value of 1 end cinematic (which however you spin it, is what they are doing)

It doesn't mean 1 type or another is wrong, but it is my belief and practice (of which ive have successfully disproved 100s of theories to this day ranging back to W@W) we should primarily use INGAME information only (supported by real world events) to produce theories.

Most of the information we know to this day was found by this alone

PS i have never heard that quote from Samantha about Sophia and teddy so i shall go listen to all the audio files (even if she did say that in moon, i can explain that with a simple theory aswell but il wait till i hear it first

How is Sam trapped in the other world if she wasn't born yet?

Shes not, i did a post on this somewhere else but il do a quick short recap

In Origins items from the past and future can be brought to the current time yeah?

We also know people can travel forward through time (and back dependant on your view on moons timeline)

This also mean that people's thoughts and words could also travel through the Aether at any given time.

Samantha can not of been released in Origins, then Released in again in MOON can she?

We never see Samantha in Origins like we did on MOON so Smantha was never really AT origins to begin with T least not in body, its easily possible that it is from when she just got trapped in the MPD

I believe NDU is the only mistake Treyarch has ever made (well not a mistake Per say)

Treyarch back when I think a month before Shi No Numa was released back on world at war posted an official INTEL post (who actually remembers these? Apart from me lol) and stated that Nacht Der Untoten was the SECOND Zombie outbreak

The only thing of NOTE is that it ties the marines in NDU to the Marines in Verruckt (The Team leader proved via terminal files was None other than TANK DEMPSEY)

Eddie could be Richtofens son.

Eddie could be the one who eventually gets trapped inside Teddy.

Makes sense if you think about it.

Richtofen & Maxis worked together if they had children they would have played & stay at the same place.

+1 to IRurG.

Regards Alpha.

Thanks Alpha.

Out of all the things in game we have found, this is the logical conclusion

Samantha in her own words (on MOON) calls Richtofen "Eddie"

Indeed i forgot about the Teddy link altogether which reminds me (and thank you BTW)

Richtofen in Nuketown 2025 says and i qoute "login TEDDY password IS A LIAR" "IM NOT but thats why no one will think of it!"

Theres also The writing in Verruckt and Der Riese that says Teddy and Eddy is a liar / is the biggest liar

Im struggling to find an alternative of the origins ending

Samantha is talking in a past tense, talking about a Ludvig Maxis and a grown up Richtofen, yet Samantha and Eddie are young.

The idea of it being in their head and in a fantasy etc is a valid theory...however as we know, 16 maps and countless years later we have so much evidence to support otherwise.

Also as for why he would hate Samantha... Jealousy, resentment, sibling rivalry (before other people dismiss this) Waffles proved this is the case as Maxis says Edwards parents were killed, and that Maxis took him in as one of his own (This alone is enough evidence to prove origins end sequence is as i have mentioned)

Now couple this with a different secnario

Maxis and Richtofen senior were working at the site at Northern France, however i stead of something happening to Maxis, in REALITY Richtofen senior was tragically killed (Hence the note in Origins about both of Edwards parents being dead.

Eddie in the end sequence is holding his Fathers Character model and refers to ALL THE CHARACTERS IN THIER STORY as HEROS

It is quite possible that Richtofen senior died saving Maxis, this is why maxis takes him into his home and brings him up like family and why Samantha calls EDDIE uncle Richtofen in MOON (both quotes are said on MOON

He grows to resent Samantha for still having her father

He grows to hate Maxis for living when his father dies

Eddie is name after his Father, quite popular to do this believe it or not, especially back then

In Short

Playable character in origins is Edward Richtofen Senoir

Eddie in the origins end sequence is Who grows up to be Edward Richtofen Junior

Every Richtofen AFTER Origins is EDDIE Richtofen (who then Goes by Edward as he gets older)

No other idea ive read or have come up with can explain the time UNLESS as i said its Richtofens son who grows up to be the psychotic Richtofen we play as in w@w and beyond

PTG are well slow lately, i was theater no clipping an hour after release.

Anyway, the problem with no clipping theater is that after a certain height, the map disappears, the distance mapping or what ever you call it is terrible once you go above the giants head, making it near impossible to do a complete cap of the map, i could quite easily stitch several HD images and over they them onto the standard map shown INGAME

Then highlight the giants footpath areas, only time consuming part is stitching the images together into a seemless image, anything less wouldnt be worth the hassle

Poor Nikolai. We have to find him!

Look for the vodka and you shall find what you seek

That's the same piece as the one found on the right side already.

Full Image: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s244/sh/ ... ouTube.png

Still missing 2-3 pieces.

Does anyone have a better capture of this, or is Pizza the only person on the net who has started to compile these pieces? And captures of each piece might be nice so I can stitch them together better.

Looks like our four heroes. Looking exactly how they look at the bottom of the PaP (statues)

If there is any pictures outside the map or behind barriers i could theatre glitch no clip for you and cap HD images for you, the exception being the one under the church, that is behind invisible walls on all sides, even from underneath

Explain the last few lines of the ending.

[Waits]

No?

Okay then. I'll be getting back to work.

...I think this was aimed at me, IRurG.

Did you really intend on waiting? Doesn't seem like it, but anyways...

The last line doesn't make this theory proven. It just means there is room for speculation of any kind.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -Albert Einstein

Don't worry Eternal, i know it was aimed at you, Sorry, its a character flaw of mine to jump in when someone gets abit arrogant, and lets face it, we can all make up theories based on all evidence from in game, we can also bring into speculation theories based on information in the real world (alphasnake and PINNAZ are just some of the names of the top of my head that really dig deep into real world history to try and discover Treyarchs True hidden story)

But at the end of the day, it doesn't mean they are true, they are all essentially theories and until Treyarch provide any clues in game (and i mean INGAME as i believe everything else is just speculation) otherwise, will remain as such, regardless of how probable it seems to us.

Again sorry for butting in

Explain 16 previous maps each with hidden back story and continued links to the characters

viewtopic.php?f=100&t=18279

Asked one of the few people in the world that could.

I shall read through that extensive post, will you be prepared to hear any counter theories to anything i can provide evidence (both in game and reference)? As some who's own Treyarchs zombies almanac on my own website received over 700 thousand views before i closed my site to work on a bigger project, i believe i could provide some additional information that i can see you have missed as i have skimmed through.

I know they may seem irrelevant but I can promise you everything thing has meaning in Nazi zombies and bo1 and 2 zombies.

Explain the last few lines of the ending.

[Waits]

No?

Okay then. I'll be getting back to work.

Explain 16 previous maps each with hidden back story and continued links to the characters

(Waits)

No?

Exactly, im all in favour of your posts, i find them interesting if a little flawed, but that came across as extremely arrogant and coming from me, thats saying something.

I miss the by gone age of W@W and later on even Call of the dead where Easter eggs could be done on solo, made playing with noobs and rage quitters much easier.

And to a later point Moon, although only the first part of the Easter egg was possible solo

Just to burst the bubble about only hearing voices after touching the MPD, what about hearing Samantha? or did i miss something, as she seems to talk directly to the player when using zombie blood

She does...but she also addresses the entire team. It is understood that everyone can here her voice. So he is "hearing voices" but not in the "kill for me" crazy aspect we see in Waw.

This is true, she does talk to the group and to the individual. She also gets very short tempered with Nikolai when talking to him at points, giving that slight demonic aspect

Just to burst the bubble about only hearing voices after touching the MPD, what about hearing Samantha? or did i miss something, as she seems to talk directly to the player when using zombie blood

Sigh. Origins is the story of Maxis (and Eddies father) told by children, who heard stories from Dr maxis, told through the medium of the game.

The principle of the alternate reality is YES Maxis and eddies father DID find element 115 in Northern France, NO there was not a zombie apocalypse (THIS is the GAME part) Yes the information we find in Origins IS real (This is the STORY part)

the END of the GAME is the end of the story told by Samantha.

Origins That WE play did happen in 1918

However at the END cinematic, that clearly is NOT 1918

Its really not that hard to grasp if you could believe this whole zombie story is coming. Just from a little girls imagination, honestly

If you take i to my theory that Richtofen Samantha and maxis are related (pretty much proved now as adopted family thanks to waffles)

Say for an instance i believe this hype about Eddie not being Richtofen, due to the age difference in Origins....

Have you thought that Edward Richtofen is Eddies Father (A name sake from his father)

He sees his father as a HERO, then goes onto be what we know as Edward (full name) joining group 935 in the Der Riese arc

Still needs an answer as to why Samantha is a child, and Eddie would be a full grown man.

It just doesn't work. They have to be two separate people.

I must make my posts more complicated than they need to be....

Forget the different accents from Eddie and Sam for a moment before you read this

Samantha is telling you a story About the origins of Group 935 and Element 115, Samantha says as much right?

It also mentions Dr Ludvig Maxis and His friend Dr Edward Richtofen in 1918 correct?

However Rictofens age compared from 1918 to 1945 doesn't add up by looking at him right?

Notes found and decrypted in game mention Edwards parents being killed and Maxis taking him under his wing, ententially adopting him (hence why Samantha mentions UNCLE Richtofen)

Eddie in the end sequence mentions how he wishes the heroes in his story were real. Eddie is holding Richtofens piece

Eddie is referring to his father (OUR Edward Richtofen) as said hero

Eddie is named after HIS father Eddie Richtofen - Edward Richtofen

Maxis also in the notes mentions a young EDWARD joining Maxis in his research (NOTE THE YOUNG)

This note i believe is referring to Eddie who carries on his fathers work and joins Maxis

again, Eddie is Our Richtofens son. Origins is Samantha and "Eddie Richtofen" Beggining, the PLAN Maxis and Eddie eventually do in Der Riese

Please tell me this is starting to make sense to people now, i really cant simplify it anymore

If you take i to my theory that Richtofen Samantha and maxis are related (pretty much proved now as adopted family thanks to waffles)

Say for an instance i believe this hype about Eddie not being Richtofen, due to the age difference in Origins....

Have you thought that Edward Richtofen is Eddies Father (A name sake from his father)

He sees his father as a HERO, then goes onto be what we know as Edward (full name) joining group 935 in the Der Riese arc

IMO its only should be used on your back, several times at round 20 and above i got double slapped at minimum 3 times in a row from behind, it destroyed the shield but i took no damage what so ever, even with jug it would of damn near killed me if it wasnt for the shield, i think its the most under estimated item in the game, next to The Maxis drone

Did you know that when all 3 Giants (Thor, Odin and Freya) are on the map at the same time, you can ONLY go in 1 of the giants foot, only 1 foot is ever lit up at any given time

I think it was just a nod to the new power drop "zombie blood". Rumor has it the same team that made motd made origins an maybe using the inmates numbers was just a sly way of expressing that.

well, zombie blood is zombie blood - this would be human blood.

Maybe the mobsters are really zombies, and they just think they're a bunch of mobsters, but really it's a hallucination masking them from the truth. Hence the fact that they "feel but still can't control themselves." Like in the matrix.

You mean like how when you use zombie blood in Origins... Another possible side affect from coming in contact from element 115

Hmm i thought that too, about argathan knights, however, they do have alot in common with Templars, or more specifically the Crown Templars who as it happens wore Crowns lol, not only that, the Crown Templar swords look near identical to the swords the Templars use, which the Argatha Templars also have on their persons. Just something that might be relevant

Is also like to point out the 4 guardian statues of Richtofen, Dempsey, Nikolai and Takeo, all of which are brandishing similar swords AND wearing the uniform of the argathan Templars (minus the Crown)

I didn't realize that was supposed to be the same meteor. Origins shows us many elements. I think 115 can just be an array of colors. Naturally blue but when tampered turns to other colors.

It is indeed the Shi No Numa, i spent more time no Clipping that map than I should of.

I could agree that it changes colour, your idea is a good one, however im still unsure of the timeline

The DG2 is powered by concentrated element 115, however, its also proved via terminal files that the Ray Gun is powered by element 115, so green and blue can be used as weapons as well as red (pap raygun and upgraded DG2)

So we have the

Blue - powers the DG2 / the electric traps and the teleporters

Green - as seen in Der Riese and Origins, has brains in jars on both

Red - as seen on meteorites Post origins, Easter eggs and Shi No Numa

I've probably missed quite a few other things but for the time being i wanted a correlation between the different colours and their meaning, and although im high as a kite, it seems to me that

Blue is concentrated element 115

Green is modified to "Preserve" the electrodes in the brain? Keeping a person alive? Maxis Brain in a jar anyone

Red Is possibly its raw form and is unprocessed

These are just my thoughts first thing in the morning, i probably could come up with better after I'm awake

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good theory but u cant just change dates that r fact to make it work

By that logic, then Treyarch can't change what 115 looks like (Shi no Numa meteor in the cinematic intro).

Im glad im not the only person who picked up on that when origins Was released

Thanks Nay as always you understand my ramblings perfectly.

As for the last qoute, even though im still drugged up, il re write it in its basic form.

Alternate reality aside, Samantha mentions in quotes about how her father was the first to find this place (zombie blood qoute and said somewhere during a Easter egg step.

However later on in said Easter egg steps AND in quotes to the characters she mentions something along the lines of "Maybe you will succeed where SO MANY have failed" correct?

Well the only other characters out of place are the knights Templar...

As no one has even thought about thier implications in this, Despite the fact Illuminati and modern day Templars, and illuminati feature heavily in the back story i dont understand why they are being dismissed

So here we all are, playing an amazing finale to the current zombies for just over another year and things have kinda hit the fan havent they. Theres alot of information to go through, let alone the community splitting ending which is on a whole other level. Before that though, a few things on alternate realities.

And to start with the maps various descriptions

"Witness the origins of Group 935, as an ancient evil is unleashed upon the battlefields of World War I."

— Map description

"Unleashed after the Germans unearthed the mysterious Element 115, this next chapter in the Zombies legacy will explore the saga’s origins as players reunite with an unlikely band of soldiers that come together to defeat the greatest evil the world has ever seen, using a period-specific arsenal that includes Wonder Weapons that harness supernatural powers, a diesel-drone and Mark IV tank, as well a new perk machine and power-ups – and that’s just the start. Players will need all the help they can get to succeed in defeating the undead, as well as evading an unprecedented 1,000-foot tall robot abomination."

— Origins release article

And now call of duty's very own online description

Call of Duty®: Black Ops 2 Apocalypse marks Treyarch and Activision’s fourth and final DLC map pack for Call of Duty®: Black Ops 2, capping-off the year with two all-new Multiplayer Maps, two re-imagined fan-favorite Multiplayer classics, and an alternate-reality Dieselpunk Zombies experience that transports players to the undead-infested trenches of a World War I battlefield.

Wow, pretty much what is expect right, however i believe Treyarch gave away more than they should have with their last one, as a member of Codz pointed out "Alternate reality" is the kicker here, their web description is the only one of the 3 that includes that juicy morsel.

In Kino, Maxis was working on the teleporter technology which possibly the Russians as the thundergun is Russian yet called DG3 pre patch. Kino is in fact a bigger key than ever now, we know Samantha's mother died, we know Edwards parents died and Maxis took him in.

This brings tingles down my back now, you see in Kino there is whats called a difference engine hooked up to the teleporters, and above the difference engine is Aether Projectionist

For those of you who dont know thats AETHER in illuminati code, was very popular back in the day

Anyway this is a stating its projecting into the aether, The difference engine is a complex calculator in a simplest term, and was also the subject of a book about ALTERNATE realities.

Having the new information it could be safe to say that either

1. Maxis was trying to find Samantha's mum in an alternate reality (or a different past) and in turn bring back Richtofens parents for obvious reasons. (Please NOTE that a woman is heard calling Samantha from downstairs just like Maxis while you are in the GOOD Samantha's room)

2. This is after Maxis and Samantha were separated in the "incident" with the Teleporter and Fluffy, and he was using the difference engine to find Samantha who was trapped in the Aether.

This is just 1 example, i could go into a huge post about me dont the RIFT, proof from origins that states things can be pulled back and forth through time and possibly dimensions through the AETHER but thats for another time.

I want to get back to Origins, in which Maxis has had his head chopped open Etc which we know couldnt happen because Maxis went on to create Group 935 with Richtofen (plus Samantha me toons wishing the heroes in her story we real proving its just a game to TELL a story, not to be confused with a story to PLAY a game)

Amoung the decrypted letters in origins that back up over 10 maps worth of back story, theres a few quotes that could if you want to go down the alternate reality route could help with.

Alternate reality theory 1

In kino theres two Samantha's rooms, Good and Demonic (i pick demonic very wisely)

What if by opening the teleporters while working with group 935 he opened up a parrel dimensions.

Samantha has two distinct personalities, Innocent yet messed up playful attitude and downright Demonic

Aether could be the Demonic place (where you control all the zombies) and Argatha could be the Yggdrasil (Norse reference anyone)

We know you can share bodies, Richtofen has proved that, how do we not know that the voices are our demonic mirrors speaking to us from another dimension through the Aether? Only those who has been in contact with Element 115 has shown symptoms of hearing "Voices"

Another idea for alternate reality is Samantha mentions her father being the first to discover that site, however she also mentions failure, like so many before, referencing to the Templar knights looking for the holy grail?

Anyway ive not slept for 3 days cos of an injury so ive doped up on medicine and if no e of this makes sense it will do tomorrow when i out the next section in