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MaTtKs found this on Black Helicopters

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread482402/pg1

A Black Helicopter is a helicopter that not only has been painted black, but one that also has no marking signs or unit insignias on it. Very often they are reported as being extremely quiet or nearly silent. A Black Helicopter is currently defined as a black, olive or maroon-painted almost silent helicopter lacking logos and unit insignias.

Normally, Black Helicopters are taken to be secret United Nations vehicles that are spying upon American citizens and are plotting a hostile take-over of the United States. This is part of the larger idea of there being a UN Conspiracy to take over America, imprison its citizens, undo the US Constitution, and replace it with a 'liberal, global, socialist, multi-lingual and multi-ethnic' tyranny.

At some times the Black Helicopters are said to be part of Cabal within the US government, or, if spotted in countries other than the US, to be part of a secret American project.

Sightings

Eyewitness sightings of black helicopters have been formed into a chronology that spans approximately from 1971-1994.

People who have seen these helicopters include ranchers, rural property owners, mothers, deputies, farmers, police officers, horse-riding teenage girls, sheriffs, college students, pickup truck drivers, police detectives, groups of entire families, and retired Marines.

These helicopters have been sighted in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington state, Wyoming, New York City, Alberta, and Ontario, Canada. The geographical areas tend to be rural as opposed to urban, though Black Helicopters have indeed been spotted in urban areas, such as Atlanta, Georgia.

Some particularly knowledgeable witnesses have positively identified several black choppers as Chinook CH 47s, Hueys, CH-46s, UH-1s, Soviet MI-8 Hips, OH-58 Kiowas (Jet Ranger), Bell OH-58D (i) Kiowa Warriors, and Russian Hinds.

Police encounters

Several county sheriff departments and other law enforcement officials (like the respective state police, although usually the local police) have reported encounters with black choppers. Various police officers have sighted, searched for, chased, and shot at these choppers, as well as having been held at gunpoint by unidentified men in black clothing (believed to have come from the helicopters). Some police officers have seen unmarked, camouflaged helicopters instead of the typical black ones. (See sightings below).

Military exercises

There have been reported U.S. military exercises involving stealth helicopters under the guise of urban warfare training in city areas, like Stockton, California, Atlanta, Georgia, and Dartmouth, Massachusetts.

Roles in the New World Order

It has been speculated that black choppers are but a jigsaw-sized piece of a much larger puzzle. The theory goes that the Black Helicopters, along with other various pieces of evidence may be definite signs that the New World Order could take place by rounding up Americans into de facto concentration camps. Obviously, a critical aspect of the theory depends on the U.S. military's willingness to place American citizens at gunpoint; however, the theory insists that the U.S. military has already been co-opted by various foreign powers, specifically the United Nations. What is not explained at this time in the black helicopter-related NWO theory is the role of Cattle mutilations.

Complementing this theory is the one that states that the U.S. military operations in Iraq provides actual battle learning experience for urban warfare to be used later against Americans. According to this very new theory, Iraq was selected for invasion and temporary occupation because of the tinpot dictator. His lame military forces, the presence of Jihad-like insurgents, and the various hostile ethnic groups (considering only the ethnic groups hostile to each other, not the ones that act peacefully and/or want to be isolationist) are believed to be elements of an ideal real-life urban warfare scenario for U.S. soldiers. This theory is partly supported by a Popular Mechanics August 2005 article "Lessons from Iraq, Part 2" (insofar as the article states that U.S. Marines are getting substantially better at waging urban warfare). [1] A quick list of the supposed lessons learned from the Marines about anti-insurgent urban warfare:

* "Lesson 1: Control the cities"

* "Lesson 2: Small-unit training counts for more than weapons"

* "Lesson 3: Own the night"

* "Lesson 4: Low-tech bombs are the most dangerous threat to U.S. forces"

* "Lesson 5: Adapt at the point of battle"

The article goes on to mention that, unlike World War II where the war was said to be won with strategy alone, "in Iraq it is the 'strategic corporal,' as the Marines call him, who must do everything from detective work after a bombing to building soccer fields to planning rifle attacks on the fly. It is the flexibility of these small-unit leaders that is the best hope for keeping the Iraq insurgency at bay." [2]

List of sightings

This list is incomplete.

1971

* August, Lake County, Colorado Forty sheep found blistered and dead on a rancher's property after a Black Helicopter flew overhead.

1973

* April to May in Wayne, Davis, Audubon and Henry Counties of Iowa yielded four sightings.

* August, Illinois, three sightings reported.

* August, Missouri, 41 sightings of unmarked black helicopters. Some reported to local sheriff.

* September, St. Francois County, Missouri, a man reported a black military helicopter with the only markings being white spots on the tail.

* September, St. Louis County, Missouri, James Hagler spotted helicopters over his property. Later, he was fired upon by the occupants, and when trying to return fire, was shot at by ground. Police did a search, and after leaving, hagler was fired at agian.

* Summer, Jersey County, Illinois, a large white unmarked cargo helicopter was observed by a mother and son taking off from a cattle field.

* Summer, Minnesota, low-flying unmarked black and maroon helicopters sighted, resulted in a wave of cattle mutilations.

* Summer, Kansas, cattle mutilations with a wave of sightings of low-flying black helicopters.

* Summer, Perry and St. Francois Counties, Missouri, a deputy spotted an unmarked chopper over a cattle field in Perry County near a St. Mary's. At the same time, two deputies observed unmarked choppers hovering over a field in St. Francois.

1974

* July, Pottawattamie County, Iowa, Robert Smith, a farmer, was shot at from a black twin-engine airplane and white helicopter. Sightings of the craft were reported all Spring.

* Nebraska, August 11th-17th, mysterious light and helicopters were sighted each night by several witnesses, according to the Knox County Sheriff.

* Elgin, Holt, Madison, and Cedar Counties, Nebraska in September to November, at least four sightings per county with three linked to cattle mutilation.

* Long Island, New York, sightings persisted over the ocean and island of small hovering black helicopters, with one major incident of multiple Chinook helicopters, unmarked, landing on a public beach. When police approached the helicopter, men in black uniforms with M-16s came out and threatened them. The generally accepted story was that the military was transporting warheads. However, this is unlikely.

1975

* Texas, Jan. 22nd, a flap of sightings began of unmarked black choppers with spotlights. The flap began with a chopper hovering over a field where a mutilated cow had been found an hour earlier.

* Wood County, Texas, February, Mrs. A. D. Cruse heard a loud helicopter circling her home. A mutilate cow was found the next day.

* Smith, Gregg, Bosque, Croyell, Hamilton, Camp, Kaufman, and Hopkins County, Texas, February, a wave of black helicopter sightings continued.

* Monday, Feb. 24th, Camp County, Texas, police spoke with the occupants of a black chopper who claimed to be test flight students from Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

* Monday night, Feb. 24th, Kaufman and Henderson Counties, Texas, four sightings of black helicopters.

* Monday night, Feb. 24th, Kaufman County, Texas, police deputies Carl Hall and Alton Ashworth responded to separate sightings of black helicopters, but both helicopters flew away when police got to them.

* Feb. 25th, Bexar County, Texas, Stanley Jasic spotted a silver helicopter at a distance of 1/4 mile a couple of hours before a mutilation of cattle was reported.

* Night of Feb. 25th, Bexar County, Texas, three sightings of mystery choppers were reported.

* Feb. 27th, Smith County, Texas, a farmer watched a chopper hover over his property.

* March 1st, Smith County, Texas, Horace McQueen, a local television reporter, rode with a state trooper for several hours as they pursued a black chopper.

* May, Texas, reports of helicopters spotlighting cattle ceased.

* April-July, Marshall County, Kansas many unmarked choppers sighted.

* May, Colorado, a flap of chopper sightings were reported, including at least one on the 29th linked to a cattle mutilation.

* July 17th, El Paso County, Colorado, two girls on horse back were chased by a mystery chopper.

* July 17th, El Paso County, Colorado, publisher and editor John Hines took a photo of a black, unmarked chopper. Cattle mutilations were reported in the area for the rest of the year.

* July 23rd, Elbert County, Colorado, police Undersherriff Bill Waugh observed a silent helicopter through binoculars.

* Night of July 23rd, Teller County, Colorado, a search by police was unsuccessful in looking for a re-appearing chopper, supposedly the cause of 40 recent cattle mutilations.

* July 27th, Elbert County, Colorado, two girls were chased by a black helicopter. The same helicopter was photographed and identified as an Army Bell Ranger.

* August, Colorado, 25 sightings, including a chase of a rancher near Franktown and a chopper following a boy on tractor to his farmhouse where it hovered overhead for several minutes.

* August 21st, Logan County, Colorado and Kimball County, Nebraska, police chased a helicopter in Colorado to the border of Nebraska, where it was picked up by Nebraska police. The chopper stopped momentarily to hover over a Colorado Strategic Air Command missile site. The chase was also taken up by civilian groups and ranchers. The leading sheriff, Tex Graves, rented a private plane in which he and two sheriffs flew in trying to find the chopper. A truck driven by two Air Force personnel received orders to join the chase by Warren AFB in Cheyenne, Wyoming, after the chopper flew unauthorized over missile sites in Wyoming. Information was relayed between police and the officers. The next day, after the craft had gotten away and chase was long over, the Air Force claimed they had never had any contact with the men claiming to be Air Force, nor had picked up any unauthorized aircraft on radar, which they had none of as well. The supposed Air Force men claimed that there was another craft flying close behind the private chase plane, but the pilots and sheriffs saw nothing. The local paper reported that the chase had ended at 4:30 in the morning near a Nebraskan missile silo after they had lost sight of the chopper.

August, Montana, began a 130-sighting flap in Montana, where many unauthorized choppers hovered over military installations. This was alos reported in Maine and Michigan.

* September, 40 sightings in Colorado, usually over areas of mutilations, including a sighting of a helicopter flying away with an object described as a "litter basket" hanging underneath it. The next day a mutilated bull was found at the sighting's area. Another major event was when a police officer was forced off the road by a chopper, leading police after it. the chopper eluded them and made the sound "like the whistling of air coming from a tire."

* October 7th, Weston County, Wyoming, responding to a report of a black chopper, drove to the site reported and saw a yellow-orange wedge-shaped object. Several other witnesses reported the same thing in the same place. Soon after, the same person reporting the black chopper also called in to report strange bright flashes of light. Many witnesses saw these large, bright flashes.

* October 5th, Alamosa County, Colorado, a black chopper equipped with a searchlight was chased by police.

* October 5th-9th, Alamosa County, Colorado, short wave of sightings of unmarked black choppers with powerful searchlights.

* October, Sweetwater County, Colorado, a local rancher was followed by a dark green chopper, whose markings were covered by a black or dark green tarp and was piloted by long haired men with cowboy hats on. The rancher was stopped when the chopper flew into the middle of the road in front of him. He was lucky enough to be carrying a shotgun and scared the craft away. A local state trooper also saw the craft and verified his story.

* October 13th-17th, Alamosa County, Colorado, a army green helicopter flew over the Great Sand Dunes National Monument during day and return by the same route by night. It was said to sound more like an airplane than chopper.

* October 30-November 30, Union and Quay Counties, New Mexico, a small 30-sighting flap occurred. The FAA claimed they were going to investigate, but later denied and records of an investigation.

Summer, Douglas County, Colorado, an unmarked army green chopper landed for a short while 300 feet from a house near Franktown. The chopper was constructed completely of metal, with no glass bubble or windshield. It may have been a misidentification of a shaded windshield.

* Fall, Washington County, Colorado, several sightings by ranchers. One by a rancher's daughter, who was home alone and saw a black helicopter land nearby their home. Later, a dead cow, apparently dropped from above into water and then on the yard, was found.

* November 2nd-3rd, Cascade, Chouteau, Pondera, and Teton Counties of Montana, several sightings, including some over missile installations.

* November 7th-8th, Fergus and Wheatland Counties, Montana, unidentified aircraft were sighted over missile installations. Due to light placement, noise and hovering capabilities, the Strategic Air Command suspected the craft to be helicopter.

* November 1st-7th, Johnson County, Wyoming, a single sighting of a black chopper. The same week, four calves were mutilated.

* December, Franklin County, Kansas, three troop-carrying sized helicopters landed near the town of Lane.

* December 8th, Cascade and Teton Counties, Wyoming, a number of small dark colored helicopters spotted between fifty and one hundred feet were spotted by several witnesses and chased by police. Following sightings, announcements by the media claimed the helicopters may be Canadian heading towards the border.

* December 16th, Lamar County, Texas, two investigators on their way to the site of a cattle mutilation saw two camouflaged choppers in flight.

* Mid-December, Cascade County, Montana, three choppers flew over a missile installation. A local sheriff was told over radio that they were National Guard, but the Guard later denied this.

* December, Frankling County, Kansas, police and highway patrol pursued unmarked black choppers first observed on the ground.

* December, Colorado, a mystery chopper flashed a light towards a nearby mountain. A flash apparently in response was seen moments after.

* December, Colfax, Harding, Quay, and Union Counties, New Mexico, 30 sightings and four mutilations of cattle were reported. James Gordon, Federal Aviation Admiral local area coordinator announced that the FAA had done an investigation, but the FAA later denied this.

* November-December, Maine, Michigan, North Dakota and Montana, United States, and Ontario, Canada, black choppers flew and hovered over sensitive military installations.

To be continued.

Organizations

To interject into this idea is the fact that there are organizations that openly report the fact they do not mark their vehicles or helicopters. NSA, CIA and occasionally FBI helicopters are unmarked because they are considered civilian vehicles; they remain unmarked as a courtesy to military forces, who of course mark their vehicles with the stars and bars. As these copters are non-military, there is no regulations stating they must be marked, and as many non-military entities in the US Government routinely lend their vehicles out to one another it would be logical to leave them unmarked. Finally, many of these unmarked helicopters may in fact be marked with US government symbols; with computer-controlled IFF tags becoming prominate identification symbols have changed from Vietnam era bright colours to extremely similar tones with the main hull that, at a distance, would be easily lost to an observer.

In addition, would it be wise to leave conspicuously unmarked helicopters as a vital part of a worldwide conspiracy? They are clearly very noticeable if this page is any indication. The most likely conspiracy theory would be that these unmarked helicopters are in fact a misinformation campaign.

Cabal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal

MaTtKs found this article which is VERY interesting

http://ezinearticles.com/?New-Evidence- ... id=3686141

Black Helicopters?

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs from Non Phixion

Q1Khr45wT4o

:P

Go Blue, did you say you think the trailer might hold a clue to solve this?

ATTENTION NOVA TRUTH SEEKERS

Azure: Since you have provided us with this information, we give you

a new task, and see if you can deliver.

We are looking for a specific document, one that we would very much

like to find. This document is posted by someone who remains just out

of our reach…for now. We have intercepted communications with a code

that we haven’t been able to crack. Post this document in a public

place, and we will correspond again in the future.

Transmission is as follows:

They came in a black helicopter to try and aid the dead president.

Even the cabal could not stop the spy.

An interesting Conspiracy, one the world would not soon forget, had

they ever known.

EDIT: GO BLUE I had already added it to the main post

SOURCE: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cons ... a67dd21968

Napoleon Bonaparte and Karl Marx?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... parte.html

In Karl Marx’s “Eighteenth Brumaire,” the prominent revolutionary and writer details the rise of Louise-Napoleon Bonaparte to power in 1849-1852 as a frenzied rise to power by a mediocre leader whose

qualifications were built on lineage. But was Karl Marx portraying the 1849 revolution fairly and was it possible that Bonaparte was a stronger leader than Marx would give credit for? Certainly, Marx was not the only observer to be shocked at the rise of Bonaparte III as the leader of France. Alexis de Tocqueville was another well known writer who had troubles tying Bonaparte to the revolution that brought him to power. It was not a united force of like-minded workers and unemployed who brought the third edition of Napoleon to France; rather, it was a pragmatic hodgepodge of the lumpenproletariat (or the lowest class of society, including the mentally challenged and criminals), proletariat and petit bourgeoisie (lower and middle class workers and artisans) that were trying to usher in a more economically viable period for France. As Roger Price says of the “Eighteenth Brumaire,” Marx “demonstrates how the class struggle in France created circumstances and relations that made it possible for a grotesque mediocrity to play a hero’s part.”

The composition of the revolutionary forces in 1849 has indeed been downplayed but it is also unfair to totally eliminate the possibility that Karl Marx was wrong about Bonaparte’s popularity heading into the

revolution. He promised economic modernization for a nation stuck in economic woe, with added incentive to someone with a pedigree for power. The fact that so many different factions worked together for this cause only demonstrates the abilities that Bonaparte brought to the leadership of France. He left conservatives and those friendly to the monarchy little choice, as he was the lesser of evils when the dust settled, while the electorate continued to support Bonaparte after the revolution and his modernization plan went through. As Geoff Watkins described the situation, Marx underestimated the appeal of Bonaparte’s government, even though it eventually collapsed and it was not the most democratic of institutions. Certainly, Bonaparte’s swing at governing France was not unique in its appeal to people power by authoritarian proxy, with many such examples throughout history.

Marx’s “Eighteenth Brumaire” is an interesting piece of political analysis from the rose colored lenses of a communist proponent. Bonaparte is portrayed as a bumbling and feeble minded figurehead but this only serves the purpose of easing the fall for readers when they looked later into history and discover the government eventually failed, with the end of the Franco-Prussian War. Bonaparte was successful early in his rain as Emperor Napoleon III and this is the scope of Karl Marx’s work, so it is fair to criticize the author on these grounds. But we should also be aware that Marx was not a historian nor a journalist, at least not in the mainstream sense. Karl Marx was an ideologically minded writer who was looking for an example of the communist structure in his “Manifesto” of 1848. In this sense, Karl Marx should be forgiven for taking liberties as he was writing this book for a revolutionary audience and could not understand the impact it had on radical politics in the future.

The 4th transmission is up!

xJfF0xgXeZA

Sounds like it repeats...

"azure has the task"

3 times

Napoleon = d

Karl = b

Da7jkpxhd-0

This is from the GKNOVA alt.conspiracy google group

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cons ... a67dd21968

ATTENTION NOVA TRUTH SEEKERS

Azure: Since you have provided us with this information, we give you

a new task, and see if you can deliver.

We are looking for a specific document, one that we would very much

like to find. This document is posted by someone who remains just out

of our reach…for now. We have intercepted communications with a code

that we haven’t been able to crack. Post this document in a public

place, and we will correspond again in the future.

Transmission is as follows:

They came in a black helicopter to try and aid the dead president.

Even the cabal could not stop the spy.

An interesting Conspiracy, one the world would not soon forget, had

they ever known.

I think you guys are over thinking this. Personally I feel we have nothing left to find on this transmission.

The information stated ......,5/5/1961 Personally I feel I we can do now is wait.

I again will say that we should remember that no where in the clue did it say 5/5/1961. 5+5=10, and freedom=7, does not necessarily mean may 5, 2010, or may 5, 1961.

The dragonsbreath usenet clue said the ELEMENTS were in the sounds and WORDS, Plutonium and Uranium were in the sounds, what ELEMENTS are in the words?

I don't think we are anywhere near to finished on this clue, and at the same time, I don't think very many people care anymore. Buzz is pretty much dead on the innerweb over this now.

Not me :(

I think you guys are over thinking this. Personally I feel we have nothing left to find on this transmission.

The information stated (Plutonium,Uranium,Tabun,Sarin,Soman,5/5/2010,5/5/1961) is everything we already found. Dragonsbreath is most likely just a codename because they aren't going to put "-Treyarch". Personally I feel I we can do now is wait.

Wait until 5/5...

Ok, so there is a story to be told here. It is only the tip of the iceberg. I think that this is not a hidden message but more of an intro.

Tip Of The Iceberg

History

The tip is only a small portion of the iceberg that can be seen, and has been used as a warning to sailors, though the phrase was coined from the incident of the "Titanic

Etymology

Floating icebergs have 90% of their mass below the surface of the water.

Noun

The tip of the iceberg

1. (idiomatic) Only the beginning; just a small indication of a larger possibility; a problem is much bigger than it seems

Like it said, "The elements are in the sounds and words. Look and listen."

Tell All But Ultraviolet November. (TABUN)

Send All Relevant Items Now. (SARIN)

Situation Offers Many Appropriate Nights. (SOMAN)

we’ll have a GAS. (is referring to the 3 gasses from these 3 sentences)

The next part which was posted LATER is referring to the two elements we have already discovered as well as the 3 from the above sentences.

> Plutonium

> Uranium

> Tabun

> Sarin

> Soman

Anyway it says new info soon, so be on the lookout for that.

I am also curious about Dragonsbreath....

come on now, that site is unrelated, lets stick to what was posted in the OP and look into what it says.

Thanks

Good good; keep drip feeding the info...

So we're "Nova truthseekers"

http://www.novatruth.com is a very interesting site.

Its bascially a forum posted in March with ony 30 posts in the discussion forum by "bills" who seems to only post cryptic bible passage based threads such as :

LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU

WE HAVE TWO CHOICES

THE WAY IS CLOSED

It also has JOH 8:32

YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH

AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE

JOH 17:17

THY WORD IS TRUTH

on the front page

Most of the posts have a strange mix of CAPS and small letters with numerous number references..

I am blind when it comes to code cracking and ciphers but this site looks very suspicious to me so could someone else take a look ???

Couldn't it just be a religious site?

5/5/1961 is the reference to Freedom 7

Missing reference to Freedom=7

Now, we must try and make sense of this.

It is DEFINITELY is worth looking into. Dragonsbreath and the rest.

For discussion about the alt.conspiracy google group for GKNOVA, please use this thread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=228

thanks

EDIT * the posts in here about the COD7 trailer have been merged to a more appropriate thread.

alt.conspiracy GKNOVA google group

April 20th

NOVA TRUTHSEEKERS -

I want this story told. This is the tip of the iceberg.

Tell All But Ultraviolet November.

Send All Relevant Items Now.

Situation Offers Many Appropriate Nights.

we’ll have a GAS.

The elements are in the sounds and words. Look and listen.

-DRAGONSBREATH

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

April 28th

> > NOVA TRUTHSEEKERS -

> > I want this story told. This is the tip of the iceberg.

> > Tell All But Ultraviolet November.

> > Send All Relevant Items Now.

> > Situation Offers Many Appropriate Nights.

> > we’ll have a GAS.

> > The elements are in the sounds and words. Look and listen.

> > -DRAGONSBREATH

> As Requested

> Plutonium

> Uranium

> Tabun

> Sarin

> Soman

> 5/5/2010

> 5/5/1961

New information coming soon...

That is enough of that, stay on topic please.

Havnt been on the site in FOREVER!!! really digg the new look. anyways when i first heard of a conspiracy for a new cod game, i knew i had to come back to you guyz. looking around about GKNOVA6 i came across thishttp://whois.domaintools.com/gknova6.com...dont say much besides who owns, but they are in Cali, as well as many other game publishers. Im gonna keep trying to figure this out, and good work you guys!!!

also found these strange sites as well

http://www.gknova.com

http://www.gk6.com

weird sites

for an idiot,in a nutshell, what is in number 3 ?

Read through these posts until I add #3 to the menu tab on the homepage.

Once channel 4 comes out i think were going to need to use the answers for the previous 3 channels to find the answer to number 4. Just like kryptos, all 3 of the first parts of kryptos are needed to solve the 4th one.

Btw, on that google groups riddle page thing, they made that post with the [email protected] address... I really want to send an email to it :shock:

I already sent an email to it :P

Excellent work! :D

To solve this 3rd transmission we NEED to look at all of them and take them ALL into consideration as we try to solves this.

Ok so since its called trifecta I think we need to look at ALL of the past transmissions to solve this one.

I REALLY think that the previous transmissions will play a role in completely solving this one.

So we need to go back to the original USB transmission and text, as well as the 1st and 2nd GKNOVA6 transmissions from the website.

This one is MUCH harder than any of the previous ones, so don't expect this one to be easy.

Listen to this, it is an transmission

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/hk.wma

A station operated by the West German BND agency whose callsign was "Hotel Kilo" used to transmit on 9450 kHz, interfering with Radio Moscow (now The Voice of Russia) which used the same frequency.

The beginning sounds very familiar.

These are some interesting sound files..

http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=10480

cool number stations site

http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Shortwave ... _stations/