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The Dragons of Der Eisendrache: What Are They?


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So, through the past month that Der Eisendrache has been out (and is actually out now for the Xbox One! YAY!), it would not be uncommon for someone to ask about the origins of the Dragons. I can quote at least one thread that asks about the correlation between the dogs of MOTD and the Dragons, and yet, minus functionality, they are vastly different creatures. I can also recall someone asking about the correlation of them in, perhaps, Dante's Inferno. I read Dante's Inferno, and I am 99% certain that there are no dragons in the book. The only true winged beast I know in that book is Geyron, and while he has the wings of a dragon, or something similar...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Geryon.jpg

...you can see that isn't simply the case.

In making this post, I had aimed to narrow the possibilities of what these Dragons actually are, yet was unable to find anything major that stuck out. So, in such, I was thinking I'd create a post that we, the community, can use to compile information as to what the possibilities as to the Dragons' entity or entities may be. I can't say I know much as to the true origins, but I'm certain we can narrow it down together.

 

Reference pictures, just in case:

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I honestly think it's just a mechanic. The only avenue I'm really seeing in terms of the story the dogs are somehow related to Cerberus (three headed hellhound) and that this relates on some sort of religious level, but I'm open to other ideas...

i think they just reused a mechanic and didn't want it to be an exact copy, that's my theory

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8 hours ago, shirtlesservice said:

I honestly think it's just a mechanic. The only avenue I'm really seeing in terms of the story the dogs are somehow related to Cerberus (three headed hellhound) and that this relates on some sort of religious level, but I'm open to other ideas...

i think they just reused a mechanic and didn't want it to be an exact copy, that's my theory

Well, it's absolutely out of the question that they reused the same mechanic for the Dragons. Although, I do highly believe in the possibilities of the Dragons being of more religious or ancient purpose.

A huge question I'd ask is if it's similar to Cerberus, where this is a three-headed dragon, or if it's three separate dragons. It's hard to narrow down what exactly the Dragon(s) is/are without knowing that off the bat.

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We also have to remember, that they are made out of stone at first and can be 3 different dragons rather than one dragon with 3 heads. What mythology has a lot of stone statues and dragons in it? Chinese mythology, which could be reference to Takeos roots and/or next map

Edit: Also, I do know, that Takeo is Japanese, but still, Asian culture :sweat_smile:

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My guess is, these dragons are guardians for the Keepers. The 3 smaller dragon statues are behind a tomb that houses a keeper. And are above the space the bow appears out of thin air.

The bow could have been a weapon from the keepers, with the dragons guarding the weapon. But other than that I think people just really liked MotD so they added it because nobody complained the first time.

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I am glad someone said this.

Though the idea of Nidhogg being the dragons isn't that bad, I just had a thought that it might have something to do with the legend of the hydra. Where to defeat it herculiese had to cut of the heads one by one and then burn the stumps, maby group 935 where trying to recreate the myth and use it as a defense mechanism?

the part where the dragons breath fire though, that is the part where this dosent come into play, also the bow, why would group 935 have the two connected... I am currently still debating with myself, I will do a follow up later...

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In Samantha's room there is a book called Fafnir and Sigurd.

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It's an amazing story in norse mythology in the volsunga saga of a shapeshifting dragon Fafnir who owns a huge amount of treasure and Sigurd a hero who slays the dragon Fafnir. Sigurd slays Fafnir with a mythical sword called gram (Old Norse Gramr, meaning Wrath). Just like WRATH of the ancients in DE!  

There is a lot of Norse mythology in DE! I am going to make a separate post right now discussing all Norse mythology in DE (Something I have been meaning to do for long time now). But the 3 dragons definitely have to do with Norse mythology! 

 

On 3/6/2016 at 6:43 PM, Shootinfish said:

Was reading some norse mythology and found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AD%C3%B0h%C3%B6ggr not sure if its related "Thus, its name might refer to its role as a horrific monster or in its action of chewing the corpses of the inhabitants"

Nice find!

In reading about Níðhöggr dragon It states - "Níðhöggr is a being which gnaws one of the three roots of Yggdrasill.  In the Skáldskaparmál section of the Prose Edda Snorri specifies Níðhöggr as a serpent in a list of names of such creatures: These are names for serpents: dragon, Fafnir, Jormungand, adder, Nidhogg, snake, viper, Goin, Moin, Grafvitnir, Grabak, Ofnir, Svafnir, masked one."

Maybe the three dragons are the 3 dragons that gnaws one of the three roots of Yggdrasill? Fafnir and "Níðhöggr being 2 of the three dragons?

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http://arcturi.com/ReptilianArchives/ReptilianFacts.html

Reptilians have been mentioned by many contactees and abductees for
centuries, but who are the Reptilians and where do the Reptilians come from?
 Some would argue that Reptilians were Earth evolved beings who expanded
out into the cosmos and others argue that they come from the Draco
constellation

http://www.windows2universe.org/mythology/draco_dragon.html

Draco the dragon is famous throughout mythology. This great beast was especially present in greek myth. One of the more popular stories involves Heracles and the twelve labors. Gaia gave Hera a golden apple tree when she married Zeus. Hera put the tree in the garden to be guarded by the Hesperides and a dragon called Ladon.

Heracles asks Atlas to gather the apples while he and Athena held up the sky. Atlas, thinking he could trick Heracles into holding the sky forever, gladly accepted the mission. When he returned with the apples, Heracles slipped the sky back on Atlas' shoulders.

Yet another story is set during the Titan war with Zeus. Athena was attacked by a dragon. She flung it into the air, wrapping it around the pole. To this day, the dragon remains in the night sky.

The constellation, Draco, can be found revolving around the celestial North Pole. This type of constellation is said to be circumpolar

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The Gorgon upgrades to Athena's Spear.

Jason must have stumbled upon David Icke at some point.

There is more but as always seems to be the case these days time is against me.

Hope this helps to spark some ideas.

Regards Alpha.

 

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Since this game is a mixture of mythos, I can't help but wonder if there is a parallel to the Naga statues we saw on Shangri La.

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Nagas are serpent deities known to be protectors of sacred places and treasure.  They travel through the 7th dimension, which includes space, time, and parallel universes.  Those themes would seem to apply to this game.

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17 hours ago, The Meh said:

I like how, as of 2021, we still really don't know what they're all about lol

 

NOR WHY THEY'RE IN COLD WAR AS ROCKETS WHAT THE HELL EVEN

Good question! First lets start with a short summary of the Dragons' appearance in Outbreak. To complete a "Dragon Relic", one needs to activate the following machine:

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Activate it by pressing a button to "start feeding time" which will make a Dragon's head appear from the central apparatus. You need to kill zombies which makes the Dragon chew and consume its corpse, resulting in the filling of the tank with something looking like Zombies elixer:

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This isn't unlike charging the MPD in Moon, except the colour is now purple instead of blue (Purple Exo-Element 1 instead of Blue Element 115?). Now bear in mind that the Dragons consume the zombies to trap their souls as an essence (or perhaps even more likely: consume the souls and trap the Life Force that was used to "stick/attach" the souls to the physical body of the undead). Mythological creatures that are said to consume souls do not actually eat them, but "consuming" is often used for transporting them to another plane. Collecting souls from the physical body and transport them to Afterlife, or in this case more likely: the Dark Aether.

 

When the Dragon ascends from this plane, away it will take the souls. To the Dark Aether. I think the whole device built around is what makes this primordal "soul collecting force" which we perceive as a Dragon appear.

 

EDIT: There is intel about how the Dragons can convert energy into objects (loot chests). Perhaps the device is constructed to assist us, the Dragon "soul collecting, energy converting" mechanism is exploited by Zykov to give us better weapons & loot in a similar way to how the Dragon heads in Der Eisendrache assisted us to form the Bow of the Ancients.

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Fedorov: Yes. A dragon. That is also a rocket ship. *nervous laugh* I don't even try to make sense of these things any more.

 

Fedorov: What I know for sure is the dragon must be bed. It demands sustenance. And then it delivers this banquet of souls to the One.

 

Fedorov: I... do not like to even speak of the One, but his shadow falls over us all, and we must pay tribute.

 

 

As far as I can gather from this intel, the dragon is a tool used by the One to collect souls and increase his strength.
Our feeding of the One is probably the reason for his ascendance mentioned in the season 4 intel below.
 

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Day 4,729: I have learned more about the one who seeks to rule this land alone. I do not know why, after centuries of stalemate, this particular creature is suddenly ascendant.

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Perhaps the device is constructed to assist us, the Dragon "soul collecting, energy converting" mechanism is exploited by Zykov to give us better weapons & loot in a similar way to how the Dragon heads in Der Eisendrache assisted us to form the Bow of the Ancients.


From the intel it seems more likely we are being baited with weapons and loot into feeding the One.
And in terms of DE you have to remember that Monty (part of the One as seen in the calling card) as a Keeper wanted the cycle to continue.
Aka he wanted the bows to be built and the EE completed.


So, in the old story the dragons were a tool used by Monty to assist us/him in continuing the cycle.

In the new story they are still a tool used by Monty. But this time they are being used to give him power over the DA by feeding him essence.

I like the way they are using the dragons, though it looks kinda weird seeing them attached to a rocket.

The only reason I can think of for the rocket is that (as seen in the calling card) the One is floating around in space in the DA not sitting on Earth.

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So for the essence to reach him it has to be physically shot into space once collected so that it's in the right place for the One to absorb. 
Seeing as we know from experience that when you travel into the DA you normally remain in the same place you traveled from. (Although Zykov teleported around in that one intel but who knows what that was about lol)
 

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