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  1. 2 hours ago, Tai Bolding Carrot said:

    Yeah sorry, I’m a bit retarded lol

    Imma give props to you for reading classic posts, my dude! There are a lot of old goodies out here - don’t worry about the date on the post. Many are still totally relevant. Welcome to CODZ, CODZER!

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  2. Yellow: A fair speculation, though Apothicon influence of the MPD is still very dubious, as it is an Ancient Vril (Keeper) Machine; not something the Apothicons should have control of. But I'm still hoping we never see the Apothicons again. Their cheezyness nearly ruined SoE for me.

     

    Blue: Originated, so we thought, from the German ideal of the perfect race having blue eyes, and as Richtofen was a Nazi, thus was his inclination. However, the point about the Keepers is worth considering. This, however, causes a conflict between your theory about the yellow eyes, as a history of the MPD seems to show that the voices Richtofen hears are likely the same Samantha encountered.

     

    Orange: Remember, Maxis was not within the MPD. He was in the Griffin Station computer network.

     

    Interesting points and great posts lately, though I often rebut your points, I appreciate your deeper thinking and classic style theories! If I wasn't so dang busy, I would love to do some more myself (and update my Weaponized Plasma and Nature of the Aether threads.) 

     

  3. Howdy, Lauren! You're not alone, as our openly female population seems to be higher here than on other related sites. We always aim to foster mutual respect for all members, regardless of gender, so I'd like to think that may be the reason. But that's just a theory. :P

    As far as a quiet game, I'm all for one that has little to no talking outside of necessary exchange of info, ie, "Max Ammo." In regards to people quitting, however, sadly, that is more chronic in BO3 than any other game to date, and it's never right. But you've come to the right place to connect with other dedicated players! Check out the LFG (www.codzlfg.com).  It's always good to build a connection, though, so I look forward to hopefully seeing you in the threads!

    Welcome aboard! 

  4. I'll be honest, no need for PMing story talk here, man! Here on CoDZombies, we are the leader in story expertise, so the forums themselves are rich with hot debate, analysis, critical thinking and theorism. I think you'll find you fit right in. Best place to start for involved content is probably the Asylum, but there is lots of great stuff in every subforum.

     

    Welcome aboard! We look forward to seeing you in the threads.

  5. If not what Rissole suggested (most likely), I have seen this happen when the game is set to non-ranked and not all the bows have been built. Remember, each location requires the use of a different now unless you are in a ranked match. 

     

    BTW - here's a zombies storyline fun fact. The Keeper is actually collecting energy, not souls. ;) I don't like to link my own stuff, but LMK if you want to know what I mean. 

  6. Sure @FatedTitan. Final radio, Der Eisendrache. 

     

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    Dr. Groph:  Despite the fact that all testing of the MPD has been put on hold, we have nonetheless observed a series of unprecedented and, dare I say it, erratic behaviors exhibited by the pyramid.  Comms, interference, and power outages have become common place, with many fearful for their own safety.  The perimeter guards on the Exclusion Zone have reported hearing voices emanating from the MPD, though external recordings do not corroborate their testimony.  Several individuals reported hearing the same exact words: I must go to her; the loop must be closed.  While most accounts claim that the words were spoken by an unidentified individual, several seem to believe that the quotation came from Dr. Maxis.  That, I know is not possible.  Such is the increasing atmosphere of paranoia that we have taken to ensuring the placement of survival suits throughout the facility, just in case essential life support systems should fail

     

  7. 1 hour ago, Tac said:

    I'll start by saying great job on the thread. Glad you finally got it out!

     

    I think it is rather presumptuous to say this. I don't think anything about those quote quickly debunk anything. You say that there's no science behind souls being energy, but there's simply no evidence for that.

     

    This quote seems to very clearly show that souls actually are energy, as "residual" means "remaining after the greater part or quantity is gone." By that, we can see that whatever energy going into these eggs and boxes are actually from the soul, not from something else.

    Thanks man! As before, thanks for helping me grind through the details, even if we came to different conclusions. :P

     

    In regards to your first point, if we can prove that energy and souls are are separate (though cooperating) properties of a conscious being composed of matter, then those quotes would all be a slam dunk, which brings me to the challenge you present with your second point: I need to prove that souls and energy are different properties, just as white and red blood cells may all be blood cells, yet are different properties intermingled and cooperating. 

     

    So notice how, in Buried, Maxis refers to the lantern being a "vessel for energy; the energy contained within ALL matter."

    Yet in order to charge it, we proximity kill zombies. Maxis continues, as you quoted, "departed souls leave residual energy in their wake. This energy must be used to fuel the lantern."

    Therefore, it does not seem overly far fetched to say that that, since said energy is contained within all matter, yet not all matter has souls, that while both may be unleashed from the body after death and may have actually been related and cooperative in life, they are not the same thing.  

    So let's use something slimy as an example - how about a snail? As a snail makes its way across a surface, it leaves a residual trail. What the snail leaves behind is not snail, but mucous that helps it to move without legs or other conventional means. 

    The soul, also, seems bound to the body by life force; so that when the soul is released, the residual life force is also unbound. 

     

    Note, he does not say, that a soul leaves residue behind, but rather that it leaves a residue of energy behind it. Also similar to the way a passing car leaves behind exhaust. It is not leaving behind car, it is leaving behind the residue of the fuel that had previously moved it along its course. 

     

     

    @FatedTitan did I say controller? Oops, yeah, definitely not Sam. I was thinking Keepers too, except not from within the MPD, but from a perhaps more central distribution unit, if you will, that can distribute to multiple places via multiple MPDs. This theory is heavily based on 1) the voices Richtofen originally heard on the Moon after his discovery and 

    2) Groph and the staff hearing Maxis' voice coming from the MPD despite it being unoccupied prior to Der Eisendrache. 

     

  8. Great questions, guys. I've never watched much of Rad's stuff, so unfortunately, I couldn't think of anything, but this is a great deal and I look forward to having him on our show! Just bummed I won't be available on Wednesday!

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  9. 1 hour ago, FatedTitan said:

    Good stuff @NaBrZHunter.  I have nothing to dispute, except I don't think the voices are zombies.  Perhaps the Keepers, but not Zombies. :)

    I would actually be totally cool with that, TBH. I'd really like to find out more about what's up with "THE VOICES! THEY SCREAM!!!" -Richtofen 

    'cause we're under the assumption that the voices Richtofen hears actually kinda tell him what he needs to do to enact his Grand Scheme or something, right? So yeah, to say that what Samuel is hearing is the zombies is actually...kinda a stretch and contradictory. Only the controller of the MPD should be audible via the communication "wavelength" or whatever it is of 115/MPD technology. 

    So actually, sorry for thinking out loud, but I think I can agree with you on that. 

     

    I'll be honest, though, when I saw you had commented and the detail of your reply, I started sweatin bullets hoping I had the right materials to respond. :lol:

  10. 1 hour ago, FatedTitan said:

    Does crazy Richtofen ever mention energy?  Realize a scientist isn't going to even consider the idea of souls compared to energy and matter.  We see this present-day as well.  If a scientist mentions souls he's exiled from the left-scientific community (which is a large portion).  Energy is more proper for them.  Crazy Richtofen from WaW and BO would give us better thoughts, since he has been in direct contact with the MPD, but I don't believe he even takes time to mention it.  I don't want to argue whether it's souls or energy, but I have a concern disregarding souls as well.  Zombies weren't the only ones slain on Moon.  It's widely believed, though I don't think specifically confirmed anywhere, that the original inhabitants of Shangri-la were sacrficed to the MPD as well.  Are they just energy too?  What about the rat?

     

    And I wouldn't use the lantern as a comparison between the two.  If I recall correctly, the wisps found throughout Buried and in the lantern are never compared to the energy or souls we absorb into the MPD or the eggs.  

     

    Also, Samuel hears voices in his head, but they aren't necessarily zombies.  For all we know, they could be Keepers.  And let's not even go into people arguing that it's Richtofen (I still firmly disagree that the unintelligible voices are him, though the last one is).  

     

     

    I won't argue that energy is definitely there and I don't think anyone wise would.  But I don't think we can just disregard souls playing a part in this as well, much larger than just the transfer of one to another body in Moon.

     

    Good points! But yes, crazy Richtofen makes several mentions of energy. Since I'm on the forum and can go even deeper than I do on YT, I'm also gonna introduce an argument regarding Groph pertaining to the rat.

     

    And don't get me wrong! The fact that zombies actually still have their souls trapped within them even in their undead state is one of the most fascinating elements to the story, IMO. I am not trying to disprove souls' existence within the zombies universe, only that they cannot be used as a source of energy.

     

    In Moon, when the rat is killed, Groph says, "I think we've just descovered what powers this machine." Some people argue "well, he might believe that animals have souls" or simply "animals have souls, too." But if we consider the conditions and probability surrounding it, along with Groph's flow of logic, the idea that he has "realized that souls power the machine" is actually more of a stretch than the alternative.

     

    We must consider that Groph is, first of all, European. German, to be exact. Whatever belief system he had it was, considering 1940s' Europe and his age (well past 40, meaning he was born in the 19th century) most likely either Lutheran or simply athiest/agnostic. During the murder of the prisoners during the initial power-up of the MPD, he says with great conviction "God have mercy on us all," which leads me to believe that although he is generally "non-practicing," he was likely raised Lutheran and upon being so inwardly shaken, it comes out for a moment.

     

    So why is his religion important? Well, in general, the belief that animals have souls is an Eastern mindset, and is expressly not a Christian mindset, and certainly not the mindset of an atheist who does not believe in an afterlife or Christian-raised agnostic. So to say that Groph "realized" that "the rat's "soul" just entered the MPD" is highly unlikely considering his background.

    Further supporting this is the fact that Groph's mindset logically proceeds to: we must kill people beside the MPD reinforces the idea that whatever was powering the MPD was/is a shared property of living beings, namely, energy. And a living human body possesses far more kinetic and potential energy than a rat does. So instead of requiring a massive shipment of lab rats (certainly not in short supply in 1940s' Germany), Groph decided to focus on a more efficient target which was to be had in large quantities, thanks to the war. We're talking about a delicate solution here, and Groph has made an executive decision to change solutes.

     

    Now, Richtofen says in Moon "the Machine is powered by life force! How could I have forgotten?" Which, of course, could be stretched to fit "soul," but again, based on the plethora of quotes since then, as well as considering the previous analysis of Groph, energy is a far more likely conclusion.

     

    Moving on, to the contrary, the lantern does work much the same way. Maxis describes it as "a vessel for energy; the energy contained within ALL matter."

    Note crazy Richtofen then says, "departed souls leave residual energy in their wake. This energy must be used to fuel the lantern." From there, the process is very reminiscent of Moon. Zombies a killed, and the lantern "dings" with each kill. 

     

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    It's widely believed, though I don't think specifically confirmed anywhere, that the original inhabitants of Shangri-la were sacrficed to the MPD as well.  Are they just energy too? 

     

    Now, that is not a canon assumption, I don't believe, but even if it were, the original inhabitants of Shangri-La would be human, and of course, composed of matter even if they weren't. Now, they would not be just energy, however, it would be their matter being converted into energy, per E=mc2, and based on quotes from Maxis and Richtofen both in their original and Origins forms, take, for instance, Maxis in Die Rise:

    "Vital energy flows through all things."
    Richtofen and Maxis in Buried:

    "Departed souls leave residual energy in their wake. This energy must be used to fuel the lantern."

    Richtofen in Origins and Maxis in Buried:

    “Energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred.”

     

    And then, it's interesting to note that even the Buddhist, religious Takeo who has nothing to lose in the eyes of the scientific community, acknowledges that the boxes in Origins are fueled by energy:


    “Every demon that falls provides more energy!” 

     

    The fact is, Treyarch seems to be incessantly driving home the point that energy is the solution in these cases. 

     

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    And I wouldn't use the lantern as a comparison between the two.  If I recall correctly, the wisps found throughout Buried and in the lantern are never compared to the energy or souls we absorb into the MPD or the eggs.  

    "Maxis calls it a wisp. All it really is is a big ball of life force." -Richtofen, Buried

    "The machine is powered by life force!" -Richtofen, Moon

     

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    Also, Samuel hears voices in his head, but they aren't necessarily zombies.  For all we know, they could be Keepers.  And let's not even go into people arguing that it's Richtofen (I still firmly disagree that the unintelligible voices are him, though the last one is).  

    I wouldn't believe that the Die Rise voices are him, since he can hear both those voices and Richtofen's voice clearly. I can't say that the voices he's hearing are absolutely the zombies, though I feel the conditions indicate that would be so. "Telepathic" sorts of communication can be achieved when people are highly exposed to 115 (Richtofen, the test subjects and Samantha, Maxis and Samantha in Origins, Samuel and Richtofen in Buried, and so it would seem, Samuel and the zombie souls crying out to be killed and released, as in The One).

     

    I'm not sure what else we may see in regards to souls, but souls as a source of power just doesn't have concrete foundation.

  11. 3 hours ago, Boom said:

    @NaBrZHunter, have I ever told you that I love you. Excellent post! This is the kind of content I hope to see in the Asylum. You and @FatedTitan should do a collaboration. 

    D'awww. He he he. I would love to collab with @FatedTitan. Definitely one of my all-time favorite theorists, and a great pal. Master of EE song analysis, which is one of my favorite things in zombies, no question. "The One" is the reason I am a story fanatic.

  12. On 6/2/2016 at 3:42 AM, Rissole25 said:

    Good read! To also add to your point of zombies having souls, Samuel Stuhlinger can hear them speak in Die Rise. So they must retain some sense of original self.

    Ah! Excellent post. The N4 certainly weren't the best of characters, but I always liked that about Samuel.

  13. 2 hours ago, anonymous said:

    Off course you can play with us. Or well, Hunter has to reply first off course but I dont think that will a problem. I even already got your gametag on xbox.

    @Doctor Richtofen My name is NaBrZHunter and I approve of this message. :) Sure! You would be most welcome. 

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  14. @anonymous Yep! I'd be happy to give Tranzit a go with you. Apologies for my distance, lately. Things have been kinda nutzo!

     

    @Lenne Thank you! 

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    you and I were always on the same site. So that is a plus. 

    Meaning CoDZ? If so, yep, I'm 100% CoDZ, straight from the shadows. :)

     

    @Spider3000 Thank you, kind sir!

  15. Welcome aboard!

     

    As someone involved in YT, myself...I must say, it's a lot of work. So try to find out what you're getting into as much as possible. 

     

    However...you never know - there may be an opportunity for you to jump into a stream with our CoDZ team! Follow us on Twitter if you haven't already (@CoDZombieforum) and hit us up next time we have a stream!

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