urbanrooster

all I've got to say is, please NO MORE elemental weapons. Go back to the original wonder weapon designs. I'm so so so so so (so) tired of it. "oh boy another map can't wait to see what new original ideas they can push into the 4 player fire/ice/wind/whatever weapon"

maybe it's just me but I can't stand these things anymore

(keep the big optional bosses, keep the environmental stuff and the new movements, less regular boss zombies, and better WW designs: I'll be as happy as can be)

(ok and also bring back some of the creepy/horror aesthetic pls)

33 minutes ago, TheJayJizzLe said:

I think we're gonna start this map out in the water possibly everyone sees Dempsey clearly fall off and think she drowns but after he goes it looks like everyone slides off the boat what do yas think 

looks like they just decided to swim towards shore and dempsey was first to slide off. Knowing treyarch, I doubt it'll start in water. probably on the beach with the boat washed up next to them or something.

hate to be the one to beat the dead horse here but. god I hope they add in the black market weapons. just for the pure nostalgia from that little ding noise of the clip when you reload the garand. idk how but they got the futuristic versions so spot on I wouldn't even be mad about the appearance, just *please* let me play with them come launch.

That trailer's gonna decide my fate in more ways than one

14 minutes ago, Steelie said:

That might very well be, and I noticed as well that they all now seem to think the Summoning Key is important. It's nice to see them working together and becoming more close.

 

What if there's gonna be zombie spiders instead of Hellhounds this map? The description does mention that the island was used to "create horrors beyond belief"...

The only acceptable type of spider would be a nova 6 crawler variant with many appendages

edit: you fuckers beat me to it

Has anyone translated the title yet? I haven't seen anything on it and I basically just tried google translate and it came up with nothing. Also a little disappointed that they didn't show any bit of the island, but all and all it's a great trailer.

let's hope these unforeseen horrors will turn out to truly be horrific

14 minutes ago, Exactice_808 said:

Good point... the question though or more of a statement.... What generation of Characters are they,  what I mean is that they have killed so many versions of them,  Lets take Veruckt and Kino for example, during that time they didnt trust Richtophen, but with the 3rd generation of the Dr. in D.E.   well they must have had different lives and maybe that is why they are getting along and of course per the story, working together to create a better world.

Other than that.... Takeo is looking like a BADASS...... LOL!

to be fair, this specific group has only so far killed richtofen and dempsey while in this specific universe. while their personalities are obviously morphing together, I doubt it's with any help from the dead characters outside this one universe alone. Looks to me like just a simple case of them dropping petty rivalry's for the sake of the greater good. and blundell zombie spiders. (though I can't take into account richtofen's travels before the giant, I'm assuming he didn't do anything too drastic besides obtain the resources that were necessary to continue the plan)

did I mention I'm hyped about the horror?

4 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

Like you put in the tea party time lolz

I try my best

anyways I'll be off for tonight. got a long day ahead of me tomorrow before I can come back and play more DE

@Zelkova regardless of leader structure richtofen has done crazier shit in the past and can easily finish the assembly of a robot to transport them to the next person they need to wipe from the timeline.

also here's this to help explain how sane of a theory the cutscene drama is:

1 minute ago, Zelkova said:

My point is not invalid. The problem with stating that a timeline can be interrupted in the middle of a cutscene that shows anything beyond is insane and not only that but did you not realize that when Treyarch redid this map they didn't name it Der Reise like the original. They stated this was a reimagine Der Reise and named it The Giant. ALSO Richtofen and Maxis are not the reigns of group 935. They are not the leaders. If they were then who were these so called Leaders of 935 that Richtofen was going to report Maxis to???

still have no idea what you consider is insane about wanting to stop richtofen's master plan. 
treyarc said it was re-imagined because in game mechanics it was. the group had revisited it but it's still canonically the same as old der-riese.

and I did forget about the whole "reporting maxis" bit so you got me there, but regardless richtofen held a major foothold in the organization, especially considering how in origins he and maxis were the only leader types present at the time of the outbreak. leading me to believe they were the leads of that specific project involving the robots, same with der-riese as stated in radios, notes, and ciphers

@Zelkova True, but richtofen isn't an idiot either. He should know how to work technology that exists within 935, especially since maxis and richtofen are the people at the reigns of the group.

and what does it being a cutscene have to do with it not being legit? what are you even trying to say? the group's plainly disgruntled that richtofen had just interfered with them trying to set things right, and same within the map itself so your point is invalid. of course the whole origins crew were trying to stop old richtofen, they are trying to set things right and keep him from gaining power over the zombies....

6 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

I wasn't repeating what he said I was just trying to make him see how silly it seems to state that the timeline was the same up until halfway through a cutscene. You yourself also stated how silly something similar to what your implying is "how could they have not time traveled to the giant? are you implying they waited through ww1 and parts of 2 with their thumbs up their asses as richtofen did his shit and then they all somehow met at the giant, with his old self there for no earthly reason, killing maxis and sam?". So your going to tell me these guys managed to basically sit there and managed to get a derelict factory to function again and managed to old out long enough for nothing to go wrong and then to have the crane put on the head minding you how long attaching it and ensuring it is properly connected as well as the computers inside were function and everything (even in this day and age such a thing of that magnitude would take days if not weeks) and then all of them managing to get in during this whole time zombies are constantly coming (they aren't going to stop) then get it working and know where a moving Dempsey is located at that exact moment. Then chase him down and from there attack to the point where we see the opening of DE. You do realize how more crazy that is and time consuming compared to the simple explanation I gave?

his timeline theory makes perfect sense. they came to stop richtofen from finishing his plan in this universe so why not tp to the point where he starts it and stop him? And all they needed to do was attach the head of the robot to the body. not like it requires a ton of skill considering the guy that made the robot and facility is there with them. and dude they just shot down a rocket in space and destroyed the moon all on their own, while being attacked by a plethora of enemies. what makes you think they couldn't hot-wire a robot and track down the same test subject they would have had to track down 4 other times??

Just now, ZombieOfTheDead said:

Most likely, yes. 

@Zelkova Notice we mean the same TIMELINE, not the same universe. and bo2 is a bit of an outlier. More like origins takes place in another completely different universe and the origins crew were transported by samantha to a universe where the timeline is relatively the same as waw-bo2's buried.

6 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

@ZombieOfTheDead We are not in the same bloody timeline as the one from BO2 and WaW we can't be as that one goes even further ahead than this one.

 

@urbanrooster The reason that we cannot state they time traveled after Origins is because they explicity stated that they traveled from the Origins area for a while and then were left by Richtofen who is the only one among them who can time travel or rather travel between dimensions. From then the first time they see him is at the beginning of Origins when he shot the other Richtofen that they were all trying to stop. I still want to know where did this Giant they traveled in at the beginning of DE come from as we only see 1 giant in The Giant and its not functional and looks pretty destroyed. That means its another giant. So your telling me they managed in that time span to stumble upon another Giant started operating it. Figured out EXACTLY where the test subject would be located (mind you this test subject a.k.a. Dempsey was also on the move in a truck) and then attacked.

You're just repeating what zombieofthedead said, not correcting him.

Of course they had to travel between origins and the giant, that's what I was trying to explain, I never said richtofen didn't leave them at some point. you were saying they hadn't traveled at all besides richtofen. The robot at the giant was nearly finished, not destroyed. it has no damage to it whatsoever and the crane was prepped to place the head on the body. I'm telling you they either repaired or FINISHED the robot that is visible. and crazier stuff has happened in this game than them tracking down a shipment that was ordered to be made, the same way as in every other timeline

3 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

I mistyped you'll have to forgive me but my thing still stands that it can't be the same Giant from The Giant.

WaW, BO1, and most of BO2 were in the same timeline (there are of course maps that are not such as Origins, Mob, and Call (that's in its own timeline apparently). I already said I mistyped about the robot thing. My point is there is nothing proving we didn't travel to another dimension inbetween this map and The Giant. We certainly didn't do it during Origins and The Giant as only Richtofen did since they even mention that he left them. Richtofen obviously has a method of traveling through dimensions.

There is one on a radio we hear talking to Groph during the EE. He is discussing about group 935 and their plans. There is a radio also that plays Richtofen's speech in regards to the Griffin station on this map and it being underway. There is a cipher stating that Richtofen fears Maxis obsession with the girl is making him go crazy and he need to report it to 935 (both these last 2 things were also on other maps but they are also on this one). The Richtofen in all of those is the one we killed too. We have a darker Groph in this map too seperate from the original. We have 2 Dempseys in the same timeline as well. That alone has to mean time travel has to have occured as the Origins crew didn't Time Travel inbetween Origin and The Giant.

how could they have not time traveled to the giant? are you implying they waited through ww1 and parts of 2 with their thumbs up their asses as richtofen did his shit and then they all somehow met at the giant, with his old self there for no earthly reason, killing maxis and sam?

the only problem I have with what you said about them changing timelines in between the giant and DE is if they are trying to make a fresh start, why would they kill off versions of themselves in completely different universes?

and for the last part, there's still nothing to convince us that both maps aren't in the same universe, DE taking place immediately after the giant

2 minutes ago, Tac said:

 

If they rode the robot from Giant to DE, I think it's safe to say they're in the same timeline. There is no reason to think it isn't. And yes, there's proof of there being a young Richtofen. We have the Origins cutscene. And yeah, not entirely the same but certainly very close.

by same timeline I meant waw and bo1 wasn't in the same timeline as the giant and der eisendrache. The origins cutscene as of now is only confirmed to be a way off alternate universe that we have yet to set foot in. maybe for the distress of fans or just to bring an end to bo2's timeline at the time. otherwise, ye

3 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

There is also nothing saying its the same Robot from Origins too. The Giant's robot isn't working and they were in a truck during the cutscene not riding a robot.

Nah the O4 2.0 were riding in the robot in the cutscene. if they can time travel in between maps I have no doubt that richtofen can place the head on the body, since it is mostly his and maxis' work in the first place.

Just now, NaBrZHunter said:

Today is a day of celebration and mourning, simultaneously. The EE has been completed, but the true Dempsey is no more. And if you really are a fan of Zombies...you will also mourn the loss of Dr. Groph. A true classic, and major contributor to this epic. Not to mention Griffin Station. 

 

Does anyone else get the feeling Blundell may have felt a certain amount of satisfaction from destroying Zielinski's masterpiece? 

as the easter egg was completed Zielinski had a sudden feeling of unease and anger throughout his whole body no doubt

RIP Richtofen, Dempsey, and Groph, and whoever has yet to pass. may we see the end of the rest of the characters and the triumphant return of them eventually.

1 minute ago, Zelkova said:

How do we know that is the case. Richtofen 1.0 was killed way way way back. This is apparently like the 4th or 5th Richtofen if you remember correctly. Your also stating to me that instead of us traveling through time which we KNOW we have done, on many occasions off screen inbetween maps, that we are in the same timeline and that someone else who is consistent in our maps time traveled and now has 3 selves on the same timeline? The version of themself we hear in the radio, the one we play as, and a child version?

I think you're blowing what I'm trying to say way out of proportion. They rode the robot to DE as we saw in the initial cutscene so it can be assumed that they came there straight from the giant. These characters have never killed any richtofens until the giant, as their selves from other universes are contacting them about the actions they will commit. I NEVER said we were in the same timeline, but that both timelines matched up almost perfectly until the ORIGINS crew intervened. there is no child version of richtofen that we can CONFIRM, only that the richtofen 1.0 was killed by 2.0, and his actions were entirely the same as the other timeline until he died.

5 minutes ago, Tac said:

We definitely are. We should make that abundantly clear.

They are there man. It's from the Origins cutscene timeline.

.....I just stated that.....

3 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

 

4th cipher down we all here understood that this was a seperate timeline which means things in this timeline are different including ages and such.

Sam is a child, anything she says can be interpreted vaguely. It could easily mean Ed was an adult and didn't want her touching his equipment and files or w/e. it's not *CONFIRMED* that they are the same age as they killed the richtofen in this universe and his age was same as when he betrayed maxis in the OTHER universe.

Just now, Zelkova said:

If we are in another timeline then our four never went to the moon too. Not entirely sure you understand that. Also considering that we have Tank right there in a chamber also implies this. Also this timelines Samantha and Richtofen should be the exact same age. Samantha though from the timeline of the moon is still a little girl while Richtofen is a full grown adult.

I understand that. It's still proof that he's not a child though. everything in this timeline was happening on par with the original characters, minus the fact that the origins crew intervened. can you link me to the alleged ciphers that say they're the same age? I just really doubt it bc it would'nt make sense for treyarc to say that

3 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

I'm getting confused as according to the cipher's though Richtofen should be around Samantha's age currently. Yet we have other stuff that contradicts that.

I'm not so sure that's the case. If you remember from moon, there's a radio that plays the exact dialogue that occurs between richtofen and groph at the beginning of DE. obviously slightly changed bc Richtofen 2.0. so we know this map takes place before the original characters go to moon, be it in another time line or not. the ciphers could have simply been dated in the past.

the map is dated when richtofen is about to betray maxis and sam, so maxis and richtofen were partners for quite some time before hand. meaning they were both relatively old.

1 minute ago, Zelkova said:

YEAH I WAS LIKE WTF DID WE REALLY AND I LISTENED TO THE RICHTOFEN FROM THE PAST SAYING "THIS CHANGES NOTHING"

Richtofen from the past is dead tho, thats what happened in the giant. Dr. Groph was the one killed on the moon.

1 minute ago, Zelkova said:

Was watching via Noah's stream so I know and yeah Waffles stream crashed so he couldn't but yeah I agree perhaps we can mess with the video of it get a close up of him.

with the stream quality we'll probably just have to wait until a pc player grabs the model or someone on ps4 records in full detail

18 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

RolfWaffles just was first who completed it.

They were all in the same game pal. Mrroflwaffles, radaustin, noahj, and someone I didn't recognize :/

but yeah holy shit that easter egg. the second I saw there were rockets on der eisendrache I knew it was going to end with the moon in pieces. also it's a shame there wasn't a nice zoom in on tank 1.0's body before it ended, really wanted to see his upgraded graphics in full glory.

37 minutes ago, Flammenwerfer said:

"My Brother's Keeper"

Wow, definitely sounds intriguing. Could Richtofen have a brother? Or is this referring to another Richtofen from a different dimension? "The one must be erased" seems to imply the latter. 

It could possibly be referring to dempsey. Considering the amount of focus dempsey had in the ads and how the icon somewhat looks like older him's buzzcut styling self. that's just my two cents

also damn ragdo you beat me to it

fresh from reddit boyz
https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/42ufgl/moon_map_in_der_eisendrache_trailer/

not sure if worth mentioning but for those being skeptical, you can just barely make out the letters "MPD" in the middle of the display

57 minutes ago, MixMasterNut said:

I found an iron dragon....

(upper-right)

=P

- Mix

This could be the fabled frozen one..... We must devote all manpower into finding more info about weathervanes!
 

in all seriousness though I'm gonna go ahead and claim those to be dempsey's hands specifically because of the golden ring on his arm at the bottom left.