Ragdo11706

On 2/6/2016 at 2:12 AM, Ragdo11706 said:

One thing for certain from playing Der Eisendrache, these Symbols are the Prefix/Suffix of a more Compound "Apothicon Word"

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At first I thought they stayed the same every game and were translated to what the carving was, however that's just where you activate the Symbols. I have another post I made, I will probably end up linking, as it shows the similarities in the "Keeper Language".

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1. Uja

2. Ulla

3. Lor

4. Oth

5. Zor

6. Mar

 

5 hours ago, Conzul said:

Oh didn't you know? Both during the PaP ritual, and while killing the Shadowman, if you run up to the Apothicon Rift Stone (or Summoning Key, if you prefer) and hold [INTERACT], you will see one of its 6 symbols blinking red. It may be hard to see but it's one of the symbols by the top, and it's always the same one. 

The Servant symbol is always blazing bright and the other symbols do nothing, but there's that blinking red one. 

 

Personally I think it's a marker that we missed something, but we're allowed to PaP anyway. I'll post a gif or something later once I get home.

Interesting...

Nope, I did not know this. First I've heard of it, as well as I'm sure alot of others didn't know about this either.

Can you do this during all of the Rituals?!?!

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Also why in the F**K didn't Treyarch make the Bow Quests on a Shared Inventory, that shit is retarded on Solo I can't pick up the Wolf Skull or shoot the Fire Rock unless I'm holding the correct Arrow.

I have found the best weapon to use is the PaPd Drakon aka Bahamut with the AAlternate Ammo Type, Dead Wire, along with Double Tap 2.0. 

On solo with this setup you can take out the first phase as well as the second without reloading. They also take care of the Panzers fairly quickly.

What I like to do, since it's not technically an exploit. Once I hit an Elemental/Parasite Round I transform into the Beast & use the grapple move on the Parasites & Elementals. This causes a greater chance in the XenoMatter dropping since your killing them just not technically killing them.

Well see heres the thing about the Max Ammo being a Bread-Crumb, Treyarch have 2 ways in which this can work. On D.E. when shooting the "Wrath of Ancients" towards the Fireplace for the Earth Bow, if you get the Rock there in "3" shots the Fireplace gives you a Max Ammo. However, if you make it there in "4" shots no Max Ammo is given.

This could be an instance similar to that of D.E. where you've done something in X amount of "Shots" or whatever it may have been.

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@Conzul

What did you mean by "Apothicon Stone Red Blink"?!?!

These Zombies are straight Savages, even the damn Hell Hounds (the main reason I die every game during the "Spirit Keeper" phase).

They are Smarter, Faster (can hardly walk faster then they run now), & Stronger (bitch smacked to death by 1).

Gotcha. Well to me it sounded like FireWorks, which would also make sense because the zombies bodies explode when hit. I would just try replicating it on Solo, that way you know there is no possible way for any interference.

3 hours ago, Conzul said:

Yeah with kills they appear randomly, but they don't just appear out of thin air unless you're doing an EE.

And your absolutely positive 100% no doubt, the one in your video just appeared there. Have you been able to recreate this.

Was the Shadow Man already dead (Trapped in the Summoning Key). What other pre-requisites had you done beforehand, "Upgrade_Ready" Quote (Yes/No), Margwa Mask (Yes/No), Jessica's Song (Yes/No), Upgraded "Shield", "Trip-Mines", or "Lil' Arnies".

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*EDIT* 

So after watching the video numerous times, I'm almost positive, whoever you were playing with shot into your Zombies and activate his Alternate Ammo Type, in this case"FireWorks".

At both instances when the sound is made he receives points, and the FireWorks sound plays both times.

I've never seen a Max Ammo or anypther Power-Up just appear without a Zombie being killed.

The exception being things like the starting door on Shadows, the Gondola on D.E., placing the arrow in its Altar in the Undercroft, and completely charging the Totem on Shadows.

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Could it possibly be leading towards us needing to have "Killed" the Shadow Man, before we even build the Apothicon Servant. 

It seems like the "Voice" we often hear (Apothicon Servant, Apothicon Sword, Archon Sword, Void Bow) is all the same "Entity".My guess would be the Creature you see on Shadows when you receive a Max Ammo.

@JJMFP

Currently the XBone, that's only because I had no idea at the time Activision would sign with Sony. I do like the Xbox Controller more so than the PlayStations.

@DaveLo07

I currently use the Strategy consisting of Storm Bow, PaP Drakon, & Monkeys. As well as the Danger Closest Gobble Gum.

The first time I forgot to grab a shield before I went in. The second I believe the Keeper killed me by spawning over me, and using those damn Skulls, how do you deal with these?!?! I also wasn't running Q.R.

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So I'm back, once agian. Hopefully this time will be the one, as it's only Round 13. This is also the First time I've entered the Arena with Widows Wine, so I'm feeling kinda lucky. Jugg, Double Tap 2.0, & Stamin-Up, close out the list.

I will report back and let you guys know, how it all goes down.

On 3/16/2016 at 4:19 PM, JJMFP said:

@Ragdo11706

That is quite strange.  Is it possible that Treyarch intended this EE to be done with 4 people.  I know that it has been a common argument from the fans that they would like to see more "COTD" EE.  Ones that can be done singularly.  Do you belive that this could be the case then?  And if so, how the hell are you planning on taking it on?  Let me know how you fare.

So if you play Online or even Offline but in a Ranked game, you will only be required the # of Bows to the amount of people. Playing an Unranked game, or in my case with no internet, Offline-Local. You are required to use all 4 Bows being that people can "Jump" in & out if your game. I really feel this is something Treyarch needs to fix for someone in a situation like me.

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I can Upgrade all 4 Bows on Round 3, no problem. The problem is how Danny long this actually takes. Every bit of 4 hours at least, I end up with roughly 750 kills on Round 3. 24 Zombies every 5 minutes waiting in the damn Rocket to launch. You do the math.

Another thing that is RIDICULOUS, is on Solo not being able to "Bind" to all 4 Quests. Even if I shoot the "Wolf Skull" from the Spawn, when I'm down there, filing the "Urn" for the Strom Bow, I cannot pick the Skull up.

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So far I've been able to make it to the "Keeper Boss" 3 times & every time I've died in a stupid way. I'm trying once again, but I'm telling you, once you place the Golden Rod, it becomes ridiculously Hard. Even on Round 6, having to find the right Circle then go get the Correct Bow. Shit is wack A.F.

16 hours ago, Conzul said:

Yes I think they warrant some exploration.

Me too, especially given the fact, I believe this is the one "Step/Part" during the entirety of the map that is the "Least" Explored.

Everyone just sees an A > B > C linearity (as how you've even stated yourself). When in reality there could be far greater things going on during this time.

You've got once chance, 4 different times. Not exactly sure whstnall would need to be done, but starting with the "Purple Apothicon Symbols" would be a great place to start.

@Conzul

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I've also noticed during the Totem Phase, the "Apothicon Symbols" can also be "Collected" by the Civil Protector & by Elemental/Meatballs.

There may actually be more here than meets the eye. Honestly what would be the reasoning behind why Treyarch would want to put these in only after you've charged the Totem, whee nearly Half of them won't even affect you.

Haha damn. Kind of makes Shadows Easy Street (no pun intended) now doesn't it.

Don't you have to lure the Margwa to the button and have it in the Ring where the C.P. lands?!?!

22 minutes ago, Nieno69 said:

Let keep it simple - I think you destroy the pictures and get the leftover?

You destroy the Carts resulting in getting the other Variety of Snack Cake.

2 hours ago, Hammer143 said:

It can be done with 1-4 players, but if you do it offline you will need to upgrade all bows, while online you only need to build one for each person in game.

This really needs to be fixed for Solo at least. I can Upgrade all 4 Bows on Round 3 but the amount of time it takes is RIDICULOUS. Then to finally get to the Boss and die, INFURIATING!

The only word other than "Altar" I could see being a possibility would be Sword. Likely meaning acquire the "Apothicon Sword" then the "IDGUN" finally the "Archon Sword".

Even then it makes more sense for "Zornash" to mean "Altar", especially given how many different types of "Altars" Treyarch decided to use in Shadows. 

• Sword Altar
• Beast Altar
• Ritual Altar
• Egg Altar

On 3/14/2016 at 4:02 AM, Conzul said:

Oh boy. I meant no eggs that we can inventory/manipulate. But that's an interesting find anyhow. 

Regardless, I honestly believe a "Keeper" being at an "Altar" will be the point in time where we can find the "Cocoon". 

The only time this happens is when the "Keeper" is presenting you with the "Arch-Ovum" and when you Transform a "Keeper" using the "Totem". I think once the "Purple Apothicon Symbols" appear, collecting all of them before Transforming a Keeper would likely be the best place to start.

@Conzul

Yea we know Zornash means (Altar). I believe @83457 was pointing out something Glitching Queen had put in one of her videos.

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As far as there not being any "Eggs" in Der Eisendrache, I wouldn't exactly say that.

* As you can see in the Boss Arena, there just so happens to be a bunch of "Giant Inter-Dimensional Eggs" laying all over the place. *

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Note: this was actually discovered by another member from this Forum, @Rissole25

@83457

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Yea either way Egg, IDGUN, Egg or Altar, IDGUN, Altar would basically lead to the same thing. Have "Apothicon Egg" filled, Build "Apothicon Servant" activate "Apothicon Rift Stone". 

Go to your corresponding Altar where a "Keeper" should be waiting for us to "Accept" the "Arch-Ovum" (instead of grab, take, pick-up). What happens after this point I'm not really sure. 

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What if the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote is the PONR. Maybe we have to do all this without ever "Feeding" the "Apothicon Servant". Thus the Quote not Triggering. Even then when do we get rid of it. I would think after we've "Accepted" the"Arch-Ovum" but before we ever place it.

40 minutes ago, Conzul said:

Yeah I think it's feasible that the cocoon could come from increasing your egg level. But don't really know how to advance it past the Arch Ovum phase.

I'm thinking the "Arch-Ovum" is the "Cocoon". Especially when you look at the Quotes. Transform Egg, (______) IDGUN, & Altar, IDGUN, Altar. The "Keeper" appears at the Altar once you activate PaP, only after you've transformed the Egg. 

I've also never understood why it is once we "Accept" the "Arch-Ovum" the Keeper don't immediately disappear, if we wanted we could make him stay there forever, so long as we never place the "Arch-Ovum". Once we've placed it down at 1 of the 4 locations he finally disappears.

 Then when we finally give him the "Apothicon Sword" we can leave it there as long as we want. Surely there's a reason for this, everything Treyarch does is intentional. Just like the "Gateworms" having a damn "Heartbeat".

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What do you think we can do with the Flood Lights.

Have you ever paid attention to the 4 sets of Symbols on the wall with the Sword Chamber. We need to figure out a way to decode these as well.

1 hour ago, Conzul said:

Actually, it's the spotlights. The two facing the murals, and the one facing the sword kiosk. They are interactable somehow. 

Another member mentioned this NOT too long ago, are we sure there not just there because when you get far enough away they cut on and off. 

That makes me wonder why in the second image you see the wall that has a checkerboarded style to it with Windows. How come that is still visible.

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Did you read my theory above on the possibility of linking the "Arch-Ovum" and the "Cocoon" to being the same thing, and how the "Upgrade Quest" could potentially be hidden.

What do you think the "Keeper" is saying in the second "Upgrade_Ready" Quote.

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Here's a link to all the "Upgrade_Ready" & "Upgrade_Complete" Quotes. Uninterrupted High Quality sound files.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/3xb3kv/soe_important_audio_cues_for_the_wonder_weapon/

3 hours ago, InfestLithium said:

Did you make sure to re-do the wisp step before you activated the charging step? @Hells Warrrior and I made the mistake of whizzing past rounds trying to charge the Keeper only to find out we didn't do the wisp step a second time. 

Also, make sure to do it PRIOR before you even begin the Keeper step. Trust me - those Hellhounds will be the bane of your existence.

I did, I went back and grabbed the "Stone Tablet" before I even picked up the "Golden Rod". Even still once I summoned the Keeper, the Hell Hounds still spawned infinitely.

I was just now playing and I got to the Wisp step on Round 3, I used the Rocket Pad trick. Needless to say, if I want to complete this Quest, looks like @DaveLo07 was correct, and I'm going to be upgrading all 4 Bows (haha F**K that).

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@JJMFP

Trust me I did (only Upgrade 1 Bow) I didn't even activate the Quest for any of the other 3. Seems that since I play Offline, Local, Un-Ranked. I'm stuck having to upgrade all 4, which I find rather redundant considering online you only need 1.

@Conzul

To me it seems Iike you were either talking about the "Boards" the Chains come out of for the Chain Trap, or the two objects in the PaP room near the 2 Beast Altars closest to the entrance. Seems like something in the Wallrun Murals.