Ragdo11706

So I definitely think the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade" should be accessible now. The reason being is in the Patch Notes, when pertaining to Shadows it simply says something about, "an Easter Egg being fixed". 

Now the difference is when pertaining to Der Eisendrache, it specifically states, "fixed an issue around the Main Easter Egg". 

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So a specific "Easter Egg" within Shadows has been fixed, but nothing is ever said about the "Main Easter Egg". This leads me to believe, Treyarch has finally fixed whatever problem there was involved with not being able to achieve this. 

I have a Theory the reason we could "Glitch the Margwa" was in fact due to the "Apothicon Servant Upgrade Quest" being broken. Since you had to build it before placing the Final Gateworm and opening PaP, it makes sense this is the case. 

See in the Patch Notes it was also stated that "an error was resolved for a player to begin an Easter Egg when obtaining a Specific Gun". In the case of glitching the Margwa, you had to obtain a specific gun, before placing the Final gateworm, leading to the Margwa no longer spawning, and the Shadow Man getting stuck.

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Also remember we have the "Noire Easter Egg" this is where we get the Black & White filter on the Screen. Well we've never been able to find the end to this specific Easter Egg, when in the coding it's clear theirs definitely a way to end or complete it.

I really think this may actually be how we obtain a "Cocoon". As the player the Map changes and is in Black & White, but once we Transform into the "Beast" the Map changes and turns to Color.

This reminds me a lot of MotD, where we would go into afterlife and could see the Crystal Skulls, but once we turned back into the player we could no longer see them. We just knew of the location where we could throw the Tomahawk. This Easter Egg also led to the "Hidden Blundergat" in the Wardens Office.

So maybe Once in this "Noire Mode" when we Transform into the "Beast" we can find the "Cocoon" and possibly Grapple it. Which is basically the same thing as throwing the Tomahawk to obtain the Crystal Skulls in MotD.

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Food for thought nonetheless!

*The "Cocoons" not Spawning in, possibly to do with the "Noire Mode" being there's a way to end it, but we've yet to figure it out.

*This is what I was talking about, when building the "Apothicon Servant" before placing the Gateworms, as that's rare and not a lot of people are going to do this outside of Solo.

*This probably pertains to the Gateworm not Spawning. Since it states "Shadows of Evil Easter Egg"

*Notice the difference where it says Main Easter Egg when talking about the Main Quest.

9 hours ago, Nieno69 said:

About the purple symbols...Maybe shoot them like the bow-ones in der eisendrache.....t-virus

Yea I've thought about that, although I'm leaning more towards "Collecting" them. As you run through them they disappear, you can also use the "Beast" to do this, as well as the Civil Protector makes them disappear.

27 minutes ago, j0steinp0stein said:

You need all bows, but you can start the EE and go to the gatekeeper part with just one.

I thought you only needed to Upgrade the # of Bows pertaining to the # of players within the game. In-other words if I'm playing Solo I only need to Upgrade 1 Bow to complete the Quest. 

So apparently, during the Main Quest, your only required to Upgrade the # of Bows, pertaining to the # of players in that specific game.

For instance, if I were playing a solo game, and wanted to obtain the "Spirit Bow", once I finally acquired it, I would no longer need to Upgrade the other Bows, in order to complete the Main Quest, as I'm the only player in the game.

Full credit of this goes to Starrburrst as he's the founder. If your not exactly sure as to what I'm trying to say, here's a video with Starrburrst going into further detail.

16 minutes ago, Nieno69 said:

Yeah but think of play with randoms- why should they wait till u upgraded something to place the gateworms?

So if a teammate place a worm before u update the arnie u can not do it? So if you can not interact with the Worms after placing them i dont think it's the way you have to do

Yea I know, this is the T-Virus Thread so everything we say is about as far fetched as you can get, so don't take anything from here as being actual fact.

Now with that being said, I do think it may end up being something crazy, if not as crazy, as what I posted. More than likely not, but you never know. I will say I've been saying for a while now, that I do believe this is the First time where you can actually "Fail", or progress to far, where the Upgrade can no longer be achieved.

20 minutes ago, Nieno69 said:

That's crazy and just not possible in online game... So I dont think That's the way... Why should 4 Players wait this long so that 1 Player can Upgrade the as... the "kill with as in a place" (e.g. the showers or train) is more likely the way 

Hell yea it's doable in Co-Op, as only one person has to achieve this, which in return leads to building the second form.  But seriously I don't know, whatever the steps may be, they're not going to be easy, not by a long shot. 

We are talking about the greatest, Wunder Weapon in all of Zombies (my opinion of course). Even still you've got to admit it's definitely by far the most Over-Powered of them all, so it's definitely worth it.

I see a majority of players using this on Solo or 2 player Co-Op, so they can both have one. I'm more interested in the Second Form as of now, is it the exact same, or does it have a new effect.

Given the names are combined with another word, I would imagine the effect is different from the Original.

@83457

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I've gotta take a picture of my notes, as I had just written the same thing out a few days ago. Upgrading Lil' Arnies, Hollys-Cream-Cakes, however I didn't factor in the Shield, and I think it's a safe bet to say this is the case.

The reason I say do Hollys, is because I feel as if we are actually destroying those particular carts. In return this would leave us with the Devil-O-Doughnut carts. Also once you finish the Hollys, if you look it explodes (lol) in a similar color to the Arnies once upgraded, and the "Apothicon Servant".

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The final thing I would add is I believe all of these should be completed before activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone" & opening PaP. 

This would result in the "Transferal of Energy", or the Blue Beams coming from the Gateworms, being there are 4 beams, I would place one gateworm with each upgrade completed.  So as soon as you finish with Lil' Arnie, place your first Gateworm. Then proceed to the next upgrade. 

Finally you would end with building the "Apothicon Servant" acquiring the "Upgrade_Ready" Quote, placing your final Gateworm, and activating the "Apothicon Rift Stone". Thus Transferring all this "Energy" into the PaP and hopefully, resulting in a "Cocoon" spawining in somewhere once the Map changes over to "Red"/"Keepers" color.

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Imagine if this crazy ass shit actually worked, you wanna talk about Mind-Fuckery, GG Treyarch!

5 hours ago, MikeCirka said:

Yeah, I got nothing on the cocoons, but the key is in his hand in that pic. I think his right hand is just glitched downward instead of up holding the key, but it's there.

Gotcha, he just looks really weird in that image.

He looks like he stuck his finger, I mean tentacle, in an electrical socket.

I'm just curious, I known this is on last gen, but how come he's not holding the "Summoning Key". It almost looks as if it's not even in his hand.

Being that the "Apothicon Servant" upgrade was supposedly patched in recently, I feel as if it's during this phase of the Main Quest, where one can obtain the "Cocoon". 

There are so many different things going on during this, that I feel like no-one really takes the time to explore. Everyone just charges the "Totem" and immediately summons the "Keepers".

Yet none of this explains why the "Purple Apothicon Symbols" appear. Sure to hurt you, but I call bullshit, no way that's the only reason. Has anyone checked since the update to see if that one in the Footlight District is no longer under the car.

@Korima I believe Mictlantecuhtli is the reference your thinking of. 

Can the shield be upgraded on Der Eisendrache. Seems like it could be, since were using the exact same shield and they brought the Mega Gobble Gum Easter Egg over from Shadows.

4 hours ago, Matuzz said:

I personally believe that there is no multiple factions out there but just the Vril Ya. They are the evil entity that Samantha describes. They are this alien race from other dimension and everything behind the zombies story as whole. They were what turned Samantha into demonic creature when she entered MPD.

If we were to make pyramid out of what we know about the Vril Ya at this point I would put Keepers in the top, that's not to say there is no god or other creature like that in the Vril Ya hierarchy that controls everything. Then comes the Shadows of Evil monsters. To me they are like animals that Vril Ya control just like zombies and hell hounds. It could be that they are from other dimension and as such are not part of actual Vril Ya race just like zombies are not actually Vril Ya but are being controlled by them or by who is in the MPD none the less.

On the bottom I would place the servants of Vril Ya. Those being the Shadow Man, Warden, George Romero etc.

The only problem I have with this, why on Shadows, if you activate the PaP Ritual on a Parasite/Elemental Round, the Parasites/Elementals will actually stop attacking you and begin attacking and killing the "Keepers".

This is the very reason I feel as if they are Two different "Races" if you will.

7 hours ago, DaveLo07 said:

Scarab beetles do go through metamorphosis. There are 4 stages of development : egg, larva, pupa, adult. Although the larva mainly feed on dung, they are also known to feed on plant roots or carrion (decaying flesh of dead animals).

Haha. Imagine that, plant roots.

I've got too find the post I made where I talked about this exact same thing.

@Tac I personally feel the "Keepers" are "Good" or the "Lesser of Two Evils. As I've always thought, beginning with seeing them in Origins. They've always tried to prevent us from completing whatever objective it was pertaining to that specific map.

I also had the theory, while playing Origins on Solo, when they spawn to destroy the 115 Generators, only 4 spawn in. This often led me to believe that those 4 "Keepers"/"Templar" Zombies were in fact the O4/Primis. Trying to prevent us from further assisting in Maxxis plan. 

I'm sure all of that is nonsense, but at the time it seemed legit to me. I only asked that because I didn't want to say the "Keeper" was trying to help us, but somewhere along the way Dr. Groph corrupted him, leading to the final battle in Der Eisendrache, as I won't be able to play the map for another month.

@Rissole25

Yea speaking of which, whatever happened to the Razorback. I thought that was showcased in the reveal trailer.

6 minutes ago, Saneman2011 said:

Is there not a quote or cipher that says "the beginning will be the end" or something to that effect. It is the first map we see the the 4 lads for the first time (the beginning), and when we have all the originals souls collected in the summoning key,  the lights go green after dlcs are completed (the end), and the fact we cant find an Proper Easter egg in the map?? its hardly a big buildup for a ending??

 

Also on a different note, why does the moon turn into a sun or do a full eclipse after dogs in the giant?? Couldn't find anything about it here or anywhere else...?

I'm not sure, if the Cipher pertains to Der Eisendrache as I'm on XBone. I've always been curious myself as to why the moon phases in and out after a dog round.

I'm not sure if this would actually do anything different, being I don't have the map yet (XBone), I'm unable to test it myself. 

What would happen during the Ending of the Main Quest for Der Eisendrache, if you changed the Death Ray from Destroy back to Protect before you placed the Summoning Key. 

59 minutes ago, JJMFP said:

The corresponding statues show you the Apothicon symbol needed to shoot with the bow.  They are the same every time, but the name changes from game to game, making the symbols change and the order in which they go.  Go to each statue and press action button and it will show you the symbol for that statue.  A picture of the door or horn or crown is on the statues base.

Sorry but i do not have pictures but can post them tonight after I screen shot the process.

This would be better suited for the EE thread though, wouldn't you think?

It would probably be best suited in the Shadows of Evil thread under Apothicon/Keeper language revealed. I am currently unable to do so, as I'm on XBone. If you could it would be very much appreciated.

This is the Thread.

4 hours ago, DaveLo07 said:

@Ragdo11706 I did look at some info regarding the eye of Ra, nothing specific I can really add but as with the scarab beetle, there are a lot of links to rebirth.

That's what I found really intriguing about the scarab beetle. Not only do we have the statues in Shadows that link to this Egyptian mythology, but the amount of links to rebirth, transformation, and larvae which are incorporated in the Apothicon language/ Apothicon Servant. And also links to keepers of the underworld or 'gatekeepers'. The Scarab was seen as a way to help guide souls through the underworld and into the afterlife.

 

Do the Scarabs go through any kind of Metamorphosis, or Meiosis. I've had a Theory for a long time dealing with exactly that. It would make sense as well being we've got the Embryo, the Larvae, the immature adult. 

Then an Ovum possibly to start the Re-Birth of the Mature Adult.

I know that's probably a long shot, but seems legit to me. ;)

25 minutes ago, JJMFP said:

I can confirm with you on that.

Crown,Door,Heart,Horn,Griffin,Stag

Match the pattern as said to the corresponding statues right before power room.  Make sure to stay in the trophy room to hear it.  If you miss it, simply hit the urn with your bow and it will repeat.  Happy Easter Egging

Can we get the symbols that correlate to the respective word, I feel as if that will help us in deciphering the Apothicon/Keeper language.

Don't know how to make it any more clear!

Credit goes to Roni7King for the video.

Welcome to the forums. I can't be 100% certain but I'm pretty sure they are as follows.

• Crown

• Door

• Heart

• Horn

• Griffin

• Stag

27 minutes ago, AlphaOmega said:

I'd say its a good guess, but doesnt really hold. We know that Nova Crawlers were a deformity due to exposure to element 115. Keepers are literal beings created to keep the universe in balance.

Ok, I was just wondering being how similar they look.

Thanx for the response .

2 hours ago, Smok3y said:

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am intrigued to find out myself... but i know the answer will not be the one i want!

I feel the exact same way.

25 minutes ago, Zelkova said:

Saw what you said in the other. While its possible in solo thats got to be like crazy considering the recharge time of the spikes is just ridiculous.

Ohh yea, definitely not going to be an easy feat. If like me you completed Origins on Solo you got a sense of satisfaction. This one is going to definitely take the cake, In regards to the satisfaction felt from.completing this Main Quest.

The only difference I can see is the scaling difficulty dependant upon the amount of players. If it's the same for Solo as it is 4 player, I don't know how many people will ever actually beat the "Keeper".