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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:14 AM

All Credit for this thread goes to 'Killallzombies' who created these 2 threads (below) in December 2011, along with the research from 'MixMasterNut'

Killallzombies Wii Kino Easter Egg Transcript Thread - HERE

Killallzombies Wii Kino Sound File Cracked Thread
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In the Wii version of Kino Der Toten, there is a Radio Easter Egg in which the Audio below is played.

I urge you to watch the first video I linked, otherwise this thread may not make sense!


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We will start here - Black Ops Classic Maps Pack

In the Black Ops Version of Nacht Der Untoten, the loading screen shows a warehouse in which the Flag symbols of Communist Countries are displayed on crates. They are -

China
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U.S.S.R.
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Cuba
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Nacht Der Untoten Loading Screen

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Kino Der Toten (Wii Version) In-game Audio Clip (3:00mins)



Kino Der Toten (Wii Version) In-game Audio Transcript

Singing translates to -
"Tens of thousands of people,
are taming the Taihang Mountains
Armed with Chairman Mao's thoughts,
we will change the course of mountains and rivers"

Audio Commentary
"These villagers were portrayed in propaganda films as happy and highly motivated, although in fact they were soon to suffer a terrible, horrible physical collapse.

Tens of thousands of people died as a result of industrial accidents in the hazardous conditions they were made to work in. The communist party came up with a crude calculation; That every worker will build one meter of canal and the project will end in three months, yet it actually took more than 10 years to finish the canal.

During the 'Great Leap Forward', factory workers hours were doubled and machines began to work non-stop. They were not even allowed to stop for maintenance and repairs, and so, soon began to fall apart. Factories were ruined.

At the same time, Mao announced another target for the 'Great Leap Forward'. Steel production was to be doubled within one year. That production *Static* only from heavy industry complexes, but also from small furnaces in villages. As a result of Communist ideology, Mao believed that workers power held a magical force.

With that decision, tens of millions of Chinese set out to produce steel by amateur methods. Everything made of iron they could find, from door knobs to saucepans, was melted down in primitive furnaces in an effort to produce steel. Women cut off their hair and mixed it with the clay in the furnaces." ---END---



The video's below are not exactly the same as in the game, but Fast track to Part 3 (7min 30sec) the song from the in-game audio is played here & the start of Part 4 are nearly word for word.

They are from a 6 part documentary & each part is 10 minutes long

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3 - This is where our in-game audio comes from Watch from 7 minutes 30 seconds


Part 4


Part 5


Part 6





China's Great Leap Forward

http://en.wikipedia....at_Leap_Forward
http://www.historyle...eap_forward.htm
http://www.sjsu.edu/...s/greatleap.htm


The Great Leap Forward of the People's Republic of China (PRC) was an economic and social campaign of the Communist Party of China (CPC), reflected in planning decisions from 1958 to 1961, which aimed to use China's vast population to rapidly transform the country from an agrarian economy into a modern communist society through the process of rapid industrialization and collectivization. Mao Zedong led the campaign based on the Theory of Productive Forces, and intensified it after being informed of the impending disaster from grain shortages.

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The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of excess deaths. Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million to 45 million, with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million. Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history."

The years of the Great Leap Forward in fact saw economic regression, with 1958 through 1961 being the only years between 1953 and 1983 in which China's economy saw negative growth.

In subsequent conferences in 1960 and 1962, the negative effects of the Great Leap Forward were studied by the CPC, and Mao was criticized in the party conferences. Moderate Party members like Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping rose to power, and Mao was marginalized within the party, leading him to initiate the Cultural Revolution in 1966.

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Chinese Posters http://chineseposter...pc-1958-024.php

The Great Leap Forward campaign began during the period of the Second Five Year Plan which was scheduled to run from 1958 to 1963, though the campaign itself was discontinued by 1961. Mao unveiled the Great Leap Forward at a meeting in January 1958 in Nanjing.

The central idea behind the Great Leap was that rapid development of China's agricultural and industrial sectors should take place in parallel. The hope was to industrialize by making use of the massive supply of cheap labour and avoid having to import heavy machinery. The government also sought to avoid both social stratification and technical bottlenecks involved in the Soviet model of development, but sought political rather than technical solutions to do so. Distrusting technical experts, Mao and the party sought to replicate the strategies used in its 1930s regrouping in Yan'an following the Long March: "mass mobilization, social leveling, attacks on bureaucratism, [and] disdain for material obstacles." Mao advocated that a further round of collectivization modeled on the USSR's "Third Period" was necessary in the countryside where the existing collectives would be merged into huge People's Communes.



Industrialization

Mao saw grain and steel production as the key pillars of economic development. He forecast that within 15 years of the start of the Great Leap, China's steel production would surpass that of the UK. In the August 1958 Politburo meetings, it was decided that steel production would be set to double within the year, most of the increase coming through backyard steel furnaces. Major investments in larger state enterprises were made in 1958-60: 1,587, 1,361, and 1,815 medium- and large-scale state projects were started in 1958, 1959, and 1960 respectively, more in each year than in the first Five Year Plan.

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Millions of Chinese became state workers as a consequence of this industrial investment: in 1958, 21 million were added to non-agricultural state payrolls, and total state employment reached a peak of 50.44 million in 1960, more than doubling the 1957 level; the urban population swelled by 31.24 million people. These new workers placed major stress on China's food-rationing system, which led to increased and unsustainable demands on rural food production.


Backyard Furnaces

With no personal knowledge of metallurgy, Mao encouraged the establishment of small backyard steel furnaces in every commune and in each urban neighborhood. Mao was shown an example of a backyard furnace in Hefei, Anhui in September 1958 by provincial first secretary Zeng Xisheng. The unit was claimed to be manufacturing high quality steel (though in fact the finished steel had probably been manufactured elsewhere).


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Backyard furnaces in China during the Great Leap Forward era.


Huge efforts on the part of peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the "scrap" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth, Mao had a deep distrust of intellectuals and faith in the power of the mass mobilization of the peasants.

Moreover, the experience of the intellectual classes following the Hundred Flowers Campaign silenced those aware of the folly of such a plan. According to his private doctor, Li Zhisui, Mao and his entourage visited traditional steel works in Manchuria in January 1959 where he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large-scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal. However, he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year.


People's Communes

In the beginning, commune members were able to eat for free at the commune canteens. This changed when food production slowed to a halt.An experimental commune was established at Chayashan in Henan in April 1958. Here for the first time private plots were entirely abolished and communal kitchens were introduced. At the Politburo meetings in August 1958, it was decided that these people's communes would become the new form of economic and political organization throughout rural China. By the end of the year approximately 25,000 communes had been set up, with an average of 5,000 households each. The communes were relatively self-sufficient co-operatives where wages and money were replaced by work points.

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In the beginning, commune members were able to eat for free at the commune canteens. This changed when food production slowed to a halt.

Based on his fieldwork, Ralph A. Thaxton Jr. describes the people's communes as a form of "apartheid system" for Chinese farm households. The commune system was aimed at maximizing production for provisioning the cities and constructing offices, factories, schools, and social insurance systems for urban-dwelling workers, cadres and officials. Citizens in rural areas who criticized the system were labeled "dangerous." Escape was also difficult or impossible, and those who attempted were subjected to "party-orchestrated public struggle," which further jeopardized their survival. Besides agriculture, communes also incorporated some light industry and construction projects.


Famine

Despite the harmful agricultural innovations, the weather in 1958 was very favorable and the harvest promised to be good. Unfortunately, the amount of labour diverted to steel production and construction projects meant that much of the harvest was left to rot uncollected in some areas. This problem was exacerbated by a devastating locust swarm, which was caused when their natural predators were killed as part of the Great Sparrow Campaign. Although actual harvests were reduced, local officials, under tremendous pressure from central authorities to report record harvests in response to the innovations, competed with each other to announce increasingly exaggerated results. These were used as a basis for determining the amount of grain to be taken by the State to supply the towns and cities, and to export. This left barely enough for the peasants, and in some areas, starvation set in.

During 1958–1960 China continued to be a substantial net exporter of grain, despite the widespread famine experienced in the countryside, as Mao sought to maintain face and convince the outside world of the success of his plans. Foreign aid was refused. When the Japanese foreign minister told his Chinese counterpart Chen Yi of an offer of 100,000 tonnes of wheat to be shipped out of public view, he was rebuffed. John F Kennedy was also aware that the Chinese were exporting food to Africa and Cuba during the famine and said "we've had no indication from the Chinese Communists that they would welcome any offer of food."

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In 1959 and 1960 the weather was less favorable, and the situation got considerably worse, with many of China's provinces experiencing severe famine. In July 1959, the Yellow River flooded in East China. According to the Disaster Center, it directly killed, either through starvation from crop failure or drowning, an estimated 2 million people.

In 1960, at least some degree of drought and other bad weather affected 55 percent of cultivated land, while an estimated 60 percent of northern agricultural land received no rain at all.

The agricultural policies of the Great Leap Forward and the associated famine would then continue until January 1961, where, at the Ninth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee, the restoration of agricultural production through a reversal of the Great Leap policies was started. Grain exports were stopped, and imports from Canada and Australia helped to reduce the impact of the food shortages, at least in the coastal cities.

During the Great Leap Forward, cases of cannibalism also occurred in the parts of China that were severely affected by famine.


Famine Deaths

The exact number of famine deaths is difficult to determine, and estimates range from 18 to at least 42 million people. Because of the uncertainties involved in estimating famine deaths caused by the Great Leap Forward or any famine, it is difficult to compare the severity of different famines. However if a mid estimate of 30 million deaths is accepted, the Great leap Forward was the deadliest famine in the history of China and in the history of the world. This was in part due to China’s large population; in the Great Irish Famine, approximately 1 million of a population of 8 million people died, or 12.5%. In the Great Chinese Famine approximately 30 million of a population of 600 million people died, or 5%.

The Great Leap Forward reversed the downward trend in mortality that had occurred since 1950, though even during the Leap, mortality may not have reached pre-1949 levels. Famine deaths and the reduction in number of births caused the population of China to drop in 1960 and 1961. This was only the third time in 600 years that the population of China had decreased. After the Great Leap Forward, mortality rates decreased to below pre-Leap levels and the downward trend begun in 1950 continued.

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The severity of the famine varied from region to region. By correlating the increase in death rates of different provinces, Peng Xizhe found that Gansu, Sichuan, Guizhou, Hunan, Guangxi, and Anhui were the worst-hit regions, while Heilongjiang, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Tianjin, and Shanghai had the lowest increase in death rate during the Great Leap Forward (there was no data for Tibet).

The policies of the Great Leap Forward and the failure of the government to respond quickly and effectively to famine conditions were mostly, if not completely, responsible for the famine. There is disagreement over how much, if at all, weather conditions contributed to the famine and how much, if at all, the famine was intentional or due to willful negligence.

The PRC government’s official web portal places the responsibility for the “serious losses” to “country and people” of 1959–1961 (without mentioning famine) mainly on the Great Leap Forward and the anti-rightist struggle, and lists weather and cancelation of contracts by the Soviet Union as contributing factors.


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Red Flag Canal

http://ourrebellion....m-masses-31.pdf

Red Flag Canal is the Canal that is mentioned in the Audio

Close to the border of Hebei and Shanxi. The canal diverts water from the Zhang River (漳河) into a canal. The Zhang River flows from Shanxi and becomes the border between Hebei and Henan near to Handan. The dam is located near the corner of the three provinces. The canal winds around the side of a cliff, through 42 tunnels and along the side of the Taihang Mountains.


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The canal was initiated during the Great Leap Forward and was built in the 1960s and the main channel was completed in 1965. It was dug entirely by hand labour. The canal is 71 kilometers long, including the distribution branches, the irrigation system is claimed to have a total length of 1500 meters. It irrigates the fields of the Linzhou district.

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A diagram of the Red Flag Canal carved on the rockface near the Canal Visitor Centre. The Red Flag Canal was considered to be a famous achievement of the Chinese workers in the 1960s and was the subject of several movies. The Red Flag Canal was featured in propaganda both internal and external to China, as an exemplar of what diligent workers could achieve and local mass initiative.


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Nantan Meteorite

Location: Lihu and Yaozhai towns, Nandan County, Guangxi, China. 25 degrees 6’ N, 107 degree 42’E.

http://en.wikipedia....antan_meteorite
http://www.cuttingro...teorites1.shtml

Meteorite falls in China

http://www.lpi.usra....=China&srt=name

Meteorite Society

http://www.lpi.usra....able&code=16906


The Nantan fall occurring in China during 1516 AD is one of the rare witnessed iron meteorite falls. The official record of the Nantan fall relates that "During summertime in May of Jiajing 11th year, stars fell from the northwest, five to six fold long, waving like snakes and dragons. They were as bright as lightning and disappeared in seconds." The strewn field of the Nantan fall is approximately 8 kilometers wide by 28 kilometers in length, covering the towns of Lihu and Yaozhai in Nantan County, Guangxi, China. The meteorite was named after the city. Detailed mapping showed that the Nantan meteorites were distributed in an area of 28 Km long and 8 Km wide, overlying Permian limestone and surface soils. The occurrence of northwestern elongated zone concurs with the historical description of falling direction.

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The largest fragment of Nantan meteorite. Exhibit in the National Museum of Nature and Science, Tokyo, Japan.

No one paid attention to the historical record about the fallen stars at Nandan until 1958, when China needed a lot of steel to push the country "Great Leap Forward". During this period, everyone was told to look for iron ore. Even cooking pots were melted in back yards to produce steel. Some farmers at Nandan, mainly Yao minority, were lucky enough to keep their kitchen tools by finding some heavy Fe-rich rocks. Unfortunately, the "iron ore" would not melt at the backyard steel factory., which puzzled the farmers. They reported to the government and scientists.

Researchers arrived and proved the "iron ore" to be iron meteorites. Meteorites from the Nantan fall exhibit a wide range of shapes varying through elliptical, flat-iron, semi-sheered, spherical, triangle, tongue and irregular shapes.

Fresh meteorite surfaces are black, and commonly characterized with angular or round melted pits. The ones deeply weathered are brown and lack of melted surface.The size of Nantan meteorites collected ranges from 10 grams to 2,000 kg. Total weight is estimated to be 9,500 kg.

The Widmanstattern cross-banded woven pattern that is typical in iron meteorites is obvious in polished Nantan pieces.

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http://www.thrushobs...ntan/nantan.htm

Structural Class: More than ten minerals have been found in the Nantan meteorites, dominantly kamacite and taenite. Secondary are plessite, scheribersite, triolite, graphite, spherlite, sideroferrite, dyslytite, cliftonite, and lawrencite. Coarse octohedrite. Kamacite lamina are 1 - 3.1 mm wide. Widmanstattern pattern is obvious in polished pieces.

Chemical Class: The average Chemical composition in the Nantan meteorites are: Fe 92.35%, Ni 6.96%, belonging to IIICD type of iron meteorite based on the taxonomy of Wasson and others (1980). The following trace elements have been detected: C, Cu, Co, S, P, Cr, Ga, Ge, As, Sb, W, Re, Ir, Au, Ru, Pd, Os, Pr, and Mn. Ag, Cd, and Pb isotopes have been analyzed by Prof. Wang Daode and others (1993). Large pieces of the Nantan meteorites, with good encapsulation, are ideal samples to analyze "space atmosphere". Prof. Wang Daode and others (1993) have analyzed Ar, He, and Ne isotopic contents.

http://www.crystalsr.../Meteorite.html

Meteorite: Usually solid, dull, mottled, brownish to black. Non-iron varieties amplify thoughts/telepathic sending/receiving, greater awareness, some connection to extraterrestrial life. Odd/unusual energy, best used by those drawn to them. Some believe that since Meteorites are in tune with the energies of the cosmos and therefore more capable of raising our energies to a universal level. Others believe that that since they have no connection to Earth, Meteorites can in no way influence our lives. Perhaps a reasonable way to approach this stone is to try and tune into its energy on an intuitive level and decide whether or not it would play a good role in your life.

Intuitive sources say Nantan Meteorites can open and activate the 3rd eye chakra, facilitating inter-dimensional communication and travel. They are said to increase the flow of chi throughout the body and meridian system. Wearing them can bring increased energy flow to the auric field, and can provide a shield of protection from negative energies.


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Did Group 935 collect Nantan Meteors, warehouse them & ship them to communist countries?

Was Element 115 in the Steel in which China supplied to the Soviets?

Was this just hinting at a future DLC Map - China? Or something more? Feel Free to comment
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:20 AM

holy nuts this is a one huge post!!!

...i dont understood anyting however
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:53 AM

Once again, PINNAZ, you never fail to impress me with your research. Absolutely great job. :)

@Nvortex: It's research that creates a more stable connection between China's integration in the storyline other than "a pylon located nearby for the Easter Egg". The original research began when there were audio transcripts discussing the Great Leap Forward in the Wii version of Black Ops.

To very briefly summarize it, the time period was supposed to be a huge industrialization and agricultural progression when China was under a heavy Communist regime. Many died along the way due to stricter protocols in order to enforce a successful growth. Realistically, it hurt China's economic status and was seen more as a failure. The Chinese suffered greatly from the loss and screwed over many aspects of society.

Little bit more down the line, PINNAZ also mentions the Nantan Meteorite. This rock is awfully similar to the 115 meteorite that can be seen in Shi No Numa. It's a rather close match, and could contain some attributes of our zombies meteorites if the rock is to be considered canon somehow in the story. In this aspect, I too believe that many samples were sent to communist countries as a fuel source in any experiments (zombies anyone?). I'm not too keen on the idea of steel containing 115 in them; but considering that China was (and still is) an industrialization powerhouse, I would simply question the purpose of 115-infested steel.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

Very nicely done. Now I understand why you were UOTM a month ago. Very well organized and very well written. Hard to not give you much credit for it. This is perfect example of what others should strive for.

However, as someone who has minimal knowledge of the main storyline, it was a minor struggle for me to comprehend and link this information to the game itself.

Anyways, just want to give you the proper credit for your work. Potentially the crutch of another UOTM bid.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:37 AM

Once again, PINNAZ, you never fail to impress me with your research. Absolutely great job. :)

@Nvortex: It's research that creates a more stable connection between China's integration in the storyline other than "a pylon located nearby for the Easter Egg".[b]


Truer words were never spoken :lol:

The original research began when there were audio transcripts discussing the Great Leap Forward in the Wii version of Black Ops.

Yeah, I kept hearing that guy talk and had no idea what he was talking about, but I figured ever console had it. When I found out the audio loop was exclusive to the Wii, I began to formulate a theory. MixMasterNut had the same idea, so we came together and made a little thread explaining what the audio was.

To very briefly summarize it, the time period was supposed to be a huge industrialization and agricultural progression when China was under a heavy Communist regime. Many died along the way due to stricter protocols in order to enforce a successful growth. Realistically, it hurt China's economic status and was seen more as a failure. The Chinese suffered greatly from the loss and screwed over many aspects of society.

Little bit more down the line, PINNAZ also mentions the Nantan Meteorite. This rock is awfully similar to the 115 meteorite that can be seen in Shi No Numa. It's a rather close match, and could contain some attributes of our zombies meteorites if the rock is to be considered canon somehow in the story. In this aspect, I too believe that many samples were sent to communist countries as a fuel source in any experiments (zombies anyone?). I'm not too keen on the idea of steel containing 115 in them; but considering that China was (and still is) an industrialization powerhouse, [b]I would simply question the purpose of 115-infested steel.

115-infused steel would fall under the same theoretical catagory as the Perk-a-Colas. Say, for instence, after the Great Leap Forward, China had an excess amount of Nantan-made, 115-infused steal. And they sent it to their friends the Russians, or they bought it off of China, or maybe they get their 115 steel from the Tungusta (spelled it wrong) but somehow, Russa ends up with 115 steel. Now, it's already been reported that Nantan meteors/115 meteorites are "special" So the Russians began to study it, or, maybe the Russian goverment just used it to make a laboratory or even a residental house. That means someone has to touch the 115 steel, and as soon as that person dies, they'll be zombie-fied, causing an outbreak.

Same with the Perk-a-Colas, they were invented to turn regular soldiers, into super-soldiers (like Captain America) but many soldiers died on the battlefield, so the 115 in their stomachs begin the process of bringing the soldiers back to life. And then you have your appacolypse.

During the Die Glocke (the inspiration for the teleporter in Kino Der Untoten on the stage) experiments during the early 40's, most of the scientist who worked on the experiments, or most of anyone who came close to the Die Glocke while it was running, became either sick or dead. According to the game, the Die Glocke runs off of 115. So living in a house made of 115, or studying 115 in a lab for multiple years, would turn your body into a zombie in mere seconds or maybe even minutes. If this train of thought is correct, this would explain the outbreak at five, Accention, and possibly CotD.

The pentagon scientist retrieve 115 meteorites during "opperation paperclip" (a special-op in 1945/46 that involved the American Government taking German's scientific everything, from blueprints, to equipment, to their scientist) and apparently the Nova-Crawlers as well as we see them make an appearance on Five and we see the canisters littering the labs. All it would take is one crawler to get loose and the outbreak at Five would occur.

But, according to Black Ops intel, there was a stand-off between the Russians and Americans at Der Riese during "Operation Paperclip" and the Russians made it off with some of the scientific loot (explaining why the Thundergun has Russian writing on it, despte Richtofen saying "So this is what Maxis was hiding from me" and Richtofen calls the Thundergun the "DG3") and then the Russians are in the same boat as the Pentagon scientist. Explaining Accention.


I flew way off-topic, didn't I? :lol: what I'm basically trying to say is that the 115 steel could be relevant in the aspect that it could explain a few of the outbreaks, among other things.


Feel free to poke holes, I know I left one open somewhere :D
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:49 AM

@ Mr Infest.

Thank you for elaborating. I always fail to include a conclusion or a summary. And thank you for including the sentence, "A more stable connection to the storyline other than what is the Easter Egg" Brilliant!!


@ Mr Jay,

Thank you for the kind comments, much appreciated. I hope you read my other threads in the 'Green Run' discussion.

As for the relativity of this thread to the storyline? It may have nothing to do with it, I just thought people needed another history lesson.

The Wii Version had heaps of Easter eggs which weren't included in the other versions, there were pictures on the mystery box which hinted at the BO DLC's such as a lighthouse - COTD, Shangri-la & Moon (I can't remember what the other pictures were) and this audio easter egg may only elude to a DLC map being located in China?

I'm not the kind that is able to develope well thought out theories, I just like researching the 'real-life events' & how it can tie in to the storyline. Hopefully people learn something too, I know I have.


@ Mr K.A.Z.

Thankyou very much for bringing this to light & posting your original threads on CoDz.

Your theories above are very much what I am thinking. Im sure there's no doubt that element 115 or meteors are in those crates on the NDU loading screen.

The famine which killed so many (at the time) can also tie into the 're-animation' process where all of these backyard furnaces were made, Nantan meteorites were used (even though they wouldn't melt in real life) and could possibly be responsible for all of these outbreaks during the 1960's.

If this has anything to do with the upcoming map, and the steel was '115 infused' I wonder if any of it would be in the buildings we see/playing in? We will hopefully find out shortly.

Ive got a little bit more info to add, but I'll wait until we see the trailer & play the map before i include it.

For the sake of COD Zombies & 3arc, this map better be packed full of backstory linking this trilogy together.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:54 AM

From the teaser trailer, I just got this feeling we're not gonna see a big easter egg... Not better than the Green Run one. I could be wrong, but we'll just have to see next week for hopefuly Achievements leaks and/or a trailer for the map.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 16:23 PM

I think it will be bigger than Green Run.. Black Ops 1 progressed with each one, I don't see Treyarch backing down this time..

And Pinnaz, EXCELLENT.. Not only a history lesson, but ties the story background together brilliantly. Thanks !
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 17:00 PM

Absolutely wonderful work here, great job!
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 18:02 PM

Incredible work PINNAZ.

you are now eligible to play a zombies game with me ;)
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 19:37 PM

And this is why you were UOTM! Nice work mate :D
Dunno if it's just a weird coincidence but the red canal map looks not too dissimilar from the green run map.
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#12 Glen Schofield

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:04 AM

Thanks for the comment guys. Muchly appreciated.

But KillallZombies & MixMasterNut should really be thanked for this.

I just want to keep making decent formatted threads that may inspire more people to do the same. They don't have to be über long, actually quite the opposite. People tend to skim over threads that are massive. Just make the look pretty & maybe breakup the text with a picture or 2. It makes it a lot easier to read & understand.

Anyone that is new, just put a little bit of effort in if you are going to create a thread. Dont just write 2 lines & post a link to a youtube video. Explain it with text that is 3 or 4 paragraphs long, include pictures & a youtube link. It's really not that hard.

This is the first forum I've been active on & if you've read my other threads, I'll let you know that 95% of my posts are done with an IPhone.......

Save your drafts before you navigate to a different page or copy your draft before you refresh the screen, this will stop you losing all your hard work, better still write them on a word or notes document, then transfer it across.


@ Bob - Thanks for your comment Bob, I'm glad your lurking over users posts.
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Incredible work PINNAZ.

you are now eligible to play a zombies game with me ;)


I've played heaps of games with you Way, or do you mean I'm now eligible to play a game were you won't Troll me by running your hoard across me, EMPing the box or Pap as I'm using it or tea bagging me instead of reviving me while I'm downed? Hahaha :lol:

We must have a game again soon, Ive been on CoDz more than playing the game lately.

@ Nemises - the map does look a bit like the Green Run Bus Route! :shock:


On topic - Just incase everybody missed this picture in the OP - something looks familiar????

(Thanks for the pic Rissole)
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#13 killallzombies

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:13 AM

*slaps forehead*

I knew I recognised those towers from somewhere.

Good find.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:21 AM

You are a man amongst boys, Pinnaz.

That is all.
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#15 Glen Schofield

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

Hahaha - Mr Perfect!

I'm just trying to encourage others to put a little bit more effort in.

Espeacially in the Ayslum......

I don't want CoDz to be like the Activision forums!!!


EDIT - I just booked a 12 day trip to china in March!!! Completly unrelated. It's funny how life works. I've just given myself a history lesson & now I'm going there! Crazy.......
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#16 FreDelicia

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 13:13 PM

Nice job PINNAZ, Killallzombies and MixMasterNut ! Awesome reading and content !

The main reason I started visiting this forum was to get some reliable information regarding Zombies past storyline. I gotta say PINNAZ you made me see that I chose wisely to become a member of this forum.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 15:21 PM

Huge amount of info as always although i believe alot more than will have relevence in Die Rise (your doing all treyarchs research for them lol)

Might i point you in the direction of current in developement chinese weaponry as theres some interesting info out there to do with particles and wave manpulation not to mention super metals being designed as we speak.

Youll have to wait till ive done the school run for links but theres a wealth of info not unrelated to all your research
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#18 Glen Schofield

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

Bump-a-dee-Bumpadee....

Nice work killallzombies.

So historic world events are our map names -

The Green Run Project
China's Great Leap Foward.
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#19 LiamFTWinter

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:00 PM

Wow, just, wow
Good job
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#20 XLORDXSITHX

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

Thanks for sharing this. I learned a lot and i do believe treyarch implemented some of this knowledge into the story and map.
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